Honda to leave F1
Discussion
Munter said:
What would red bull brand the engine if/when they take it on themselves?
There's a theory now that Red Bull could buy the IP from Honda, then sell the name of the engine to someone else.So, for example, if you were an independent sports car manufacturer, you could get your name on an F1 engine for a relatively small amount. You then 'enter' F1 with no startup issues and ride out the publicity until the engine change in 2026.
It may appeal to someone.
The alternative is to go outside a manufacturer and do a sponsorship deal similar to the TAG-Heuer one they did with the Renault engines. More likely I would say.
Muzzer79 said:
Munter said:
What would red bull brand the engine if/when they take it on themselves?
There's a theory now that Red Bull could buy the IP from Honda, then sell the name of the engine to someone else.So, for example, if you were an independent sports car manufacturer, you could get your name on an F1 engine for a relatively small amount. You then 'enter' F1 with no startup issues and ride out the publicity until the engine change in 2026.
It may appeal to someone.
The alternative is to go outside a manufacturer and do a sponsorship deal similar to the TAG-Heuer one they did with the Renault engines. More likely I would say.
Oilchange said:
Of course not but nobody knows on what terms he or any of the drivers are driving under. Shooting down my theory without knowing the facts is just silly. Even if it is a far out theory.
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
I wouldn't be completely surprised if Lance gets car updates before Vettel, like they did this season once Perez's departure had been announced, but even without having their contracts to hand, the facts that we do know about Formula 1 in general make your theory extremely unlikely IMO. It would be an incredibly illogical decision to drop Perez, who pays for his seat, hire Vettel who gets paid to drive the car, and then contractually - or even out of contract - tell him to go slower than Stroll.Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th October 10:49
Where's the motive?
kiseca said:
Oilchange said:
Of course not but nobody knows on what terms he or any of the drivers are driving under. Shooting down my theory without knowing the facts is just silly. Even if it is a far out theory.
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
I wouldn't be completely surprised if Lance gets car updates before Vettel, like they did this season once Perez's departure had been announced, but even without having their contracts to hand, the facts that we do know about Formula 1 in general make your theory extremely unlikely IMO. It would be an incredibly illogical decision to drop Perez, who pays for his seat, hire Vettel who gets paid to drive the car, and then contractually - or even out of contract - tell him to go slower than Stroll.Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th October 10:49
Where's the motive?
spunkytherabbit said:
kiseca said:
Oilchange said:
Of course not but nobody knows on what terms he or any of the drivers are driving under. Shooting down my theory without knowing the facts is just silly. Even if it is a far out theory.
Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
I wouldn't be completely surprised if Lance gets car updates before Vettel, like they did this season once Perez's departure had been announced, but even without having their contracts to hand, the facts that we do know about Formula 1 in general make your theory extremely unlikely IMO. It would be an incredibly illogical decision to drop Perez, who pays for his seat, hire Vettel who gets paid to drive the car, and then contractually - or even out of contract - tell him to go slower than Stroll.Anyway, he might be driving on equal terms but they might play silly buggers and give Stroll the edge in some other way. Or not.
The point is, nobody knows.
And in any case, the big Elephant in the room is that his team mate is the Bosses son!
Edited by Oilchange on Thursday 15th October 10:49
Where's the motive?
Mr Dendrite said:
I thought TAG were a purpose built engine, by Porsche?
Coincidently Red Bull are sponsored by TAG (old Porsche) and DMG Mori (Hybrid Le Mans Porsche) sponsors.As for them taking on the engine themselves I wonder of they could partner with Mugen to develop the Honda, only others I can think of would be Cosworth or Mechachrome who assembled Red Bull's Renault engines during their championship years 2010-13.
faa77 said:
Muzzer79 said:
We're going O/T here but it seems that people think that Racing Point/Aston Martin are Lawrence Stroll's folly - a train set to allow his son to race.
Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
100%Of course, having a team gives him the luxury of choosing Lance as a driver but that's where it ends.
RP have some serious people with serious money involved. They've shown they're serious by spending a lot of money on a multiple world champion
If they started hampering their own progress to favour Lance, it would come crashing down pretty quickly.
Choosing Stroll over Perez is a completely different scenario to hiring Vettel and then not letting him beat Stroll.
Lawrence Stroll just wants his son in a car. It doesn't matter if a 4x WDC is going to wipe the floor with him, as that wouldn't be surprising.
This idea honda would let red bull have their engine after they left seemed far fetched.
But they seem to want to make a clean break and invest in non ICE for the future.
However, they still make millions of engines for road cars/bikes so why hand over the secret sauce?
Red Bull seem to think they can twist the FIA and F1 to freeze the engines from 2022 onward.
This way they could run Hondas last version till the end of the formula without the other 3 ices moving ahead into the distance.
So this just seems like receiving parts from the supplier and some hired honda folk putting them together in milton keynes.
Maybe honda are fed up with the development race but wont admit it.
Still puts honda in the firing line for blame when max blows a fuse but maybe £60m per year for an ICE badged up as a mexicari
is not so bad.
But they seem to want to make a clean break and invest in non ICE for the future.
However, they still make millions of engines for road cars/bikes so why hand over the secret sauce?
Red Bull seem to think they can twist the FIA and F1 to freeze the engines from 2022 onward.
This way they could run Hondas last version till the end of the formula without the other 3 ices moving ahead into the distance.
So this just seems like receiving parts from the supplier and some hired honda folk putting them together in milton keynes.
Maybe honda are fed up with the development race but wont admit it.
Still puts honda in the firing line for blame when max blows a fuse but maybe £60m per year for an ICE badged up as a mexicari
is not so bad.
DanielSan said:
Deesee said:
Seb has invested some funds in Aston Martin.. he’s part of the consortium..
Except no one knows if he has invested any personal cash or if his shares are part of the deal to join the team. He's not involved with Stroll's consortium who bought the team either way 
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