How scared of advances in hands free driving are bikers?

[vindaloo79]

I watched some YouTube footage of a guy testing Tesla autopilot detection of motorcycles last night. The outcome was it was erratic most of the time.

https://youtu.be/V4U672QMA_c

I’ve heard and seen other stories of drivers in Tesla’s virtually sleeping during commutes.

How scared are bikers about these advances?

Should there be legislation around bikes maybe having to emit a signal to show autopilot Cars where they are, gps or ... but of course that leaves people open to self incrimination for speeding or tracing individuals.

Maybe cars should have some outward way of letting other drivers know it is being autopiloted? That way may stop some road rage and make other road users more cautious?

Edited by vindaloo79 on Friday 23 October 14:01

[roboxm3]

Human drivers are largely pretty ste at observing bikers, occasionally dangerous, sometimes intentionally...automated vehicles will likely be somewhat less ste and won't intentionally drive like spiteful, emasculated bellends, so I'm not concerned at all...

[DocJock]

What he said ^^^^^

[vindaloo79]

I did find a newer video reviewing some functionality of Tesla’s inner workings. This was impressive when it starts to measure the variation of road wetness as it increases

https://youtu.be/zRnSmw1i_DQ

[Prof Prolapse]

roboxm3 said:

Human drivers are largely pretty ste at observing bikers, occasionally dangerous, sometimes intentionally...automated vehicles will likely be somewhat less ste and won't intentionally drive like spiteful, emasculated bellends, so I'm not concerned at all...

I think that's fair actually.

It is the intentionally pull outs, block middle of lanes, and "shutting the door" on overtakes which I find most annoying. Save for a "Skynet" type scenario, that element would seem removed. Sounds good to me.

The accidental stuff, is just business as usual really isn't it?

[Krikkit]

vindaloo79 said:

I did find a newer video reviewing some functionality of Tesla’s inner workings. This was impressive when it starts to measure the variation of road wetness as it increases

https://youtu.be/zRnSmw1i_DQ

The video footage is a subset of how much information it's processing too - it builds up information from ultrasonic and radar sensors as well.

I've no doubt that it makes mistakes, but considering how well this first generation of self-driving systems are doing, it really won't be that long before they're near flawless.

I'd be just as wary about them as a normal car at this point, there are so many people who take an active disinterest in driving well, not to mention the deliberately dangerous drivers trying to swerve at you to block overtakes/filtering etc.

[Jazzy Jag]

My computer can't even see my wireless printer so what chance of a computer seeing a bike or pedestrian?

[FunkyNige]

roboxm3 said:

Human drivers are largely pretty ste at observing bikers, occasionally dangerous, sometimes intentionally...automated vehicles will likely be somewhat less ste and won't intentionally drive like spiteful, emasculated bellends, so I'm not concerned at all...

Pretty much this; at least automated cars will stick to their lane and always indicate when moving lanes, unlike (some) human drivers who veer across the road looking down at their phone and suddenly jink back when they look up...

[croyde]

Jazzy Jag said:

My computer can't even see my wireless printer so what chance of a computer seeing a bike or pedestrian?

[the cueball]

roboxm3 said:

Human drivers are largely pretty ste at observing bikers, occasionally dangerous, sometimes intentionally...automated vehicles will likely be somewhat less ste and won't intentionally drive like spiteful, emasculated bellends, so I'm not concerned at all...

This.

[Crudeoink]

This is something that is being worked on. Regulators are trying to improve the Radar Cross Section of motorbikes so they are better picked up by car ADAS. https://www.utacceram.com/testing-expertise/safety...

[bogie]

Dont believe the hype, truly automated hands off driving is many years away. Your bike will be able to ride itself by then and be talking to the other vehicles on the road to get the fk out of the way

[mak]

bogie said:

Dont believe the hype, truly automated hands off driving is many years away. Your bike will be able to ride itself by then and be talking to the other vehicles on the road to get the fk out of the way

I reckon your wrong, I remember this from the gadget show last year, yes they still need a designated safety driver behind the wheel but there not far off.
Actually its already running without a driver in the front behind the wheel , only the passenger seat


https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/330948-russi...

I watched it drive round Los Vagos last year on the show, mind bending if not frightening .

Edited by mak on Friday 23 October 19:52

[Junior Bianno]

I would say its safer for bikers. I've got a Tesla and the safety systems work really well. I can see many occassions where the Tesla will spot a bike and brake/avoid a collision better than average drivers.

Also, this thing about sleeping at the wheel is a fallacy. The system really doesn't let that happen. It constantly nags you in autopilot mode - you have to nudge the wheel ever 20-30 seconds. If you don't, after a couple of warnings the car will stop itself. It's safer anyway - if you fall asleep at the wheel in a normal car that is a good chance you will crash (with the possibility of taking someone out, like a biker). With autopilot it stop the car safely.

[hyphen]

roboxm3 said:

Human drivers are largely pretty ste at observing bikers, occasionally dangerous, sometimes intentionally...automated vehicles will likely be somewhat less ste and won't intentionally drive like spiteful, emasculated bellends, so I'm not concerned at all...

Plus as vehicles become electric powered, diesel spills on the road will no longer be a risk to bikers.

[Rozzers]

Done a course with Volvo, their system states in writing that it cannot detect bikes, but during testing we found it reliably detected even kids on pushbikes and could follow them at a safe distance even on poor roads where the steering assist gave up.

[stu67]

I can only imagine the chaos I’m going to cause to “self driving” cars as I weave in and out on my daily commute into London. I wonder how they will deal with all the deliveroo riders climbing over their bonnets