Haas chose Russia’s Nikita Mazepin
Discussion
kiseca said:
TheDeuce said:
vaud said:
entropy said:
Is it normal for rookie drivers to not being able to complete this task around Monaco?
It's not normal. Some drivers have enough mental bandwidth to catch a sight of the tv coverage as they pass.
k each outing 
Poor engineer must hate him.
TheDeuce said:
Mick's car did worse than mazepin's imo. In terms of driving on display, plainly Mick was doing the better job as he managed to pass his team mate.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
They were very evenly matched on pace all weekend, and only one of them put his car in the wall twice and had to miss qualifying as a result.The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
Mick's car did worse than mazepin's imo. In terms of driving on display, plainly Mick was doing the better job as he managed to pass his team mate.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
They were very evenly matched on pace all weekend, and only one of them put his car in the wall twice and had to miss qualifying as a result.The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
Mick's car did worse than mazepin's imo. In terms of driving on display, plainly Mick was doing the better job as he managed to pass his team mate.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
They were very evenly matched on pace all weekend, and only one of them put his car in the wall twice and had to miss qualifying as a result.The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
We each have our own opinions naturally. Mine is that overall a driver that finds the limit and then presses home that advantage in the race, by overtaking their team mate, is a better driver - better racer.
It's very match a matter of perspective and how you weight certain attributes. If you look at the black and white, as you say, mazepin had the stronger weekend. I'm more interested in what's behind the numbers though.
thegreenhell said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that Mazepin is better than Schumacher by any metric, but I doubt even Mick would think that he had a better weekend overall than his teammate.
Including his poor luck with the PU issue, I agree.If he had crashed out, missed quali, overtaken his team mate in the race and held that position I would say he had the better weekend.
So therefore, as a driver, I still think he looked better this weekend.
thegreenhell said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that Mazepin is better than Schumacher by any metric, but I doubt even Mick would think that he had a better weekend overall than his teammate.
He got a wheel to wheel pass in, which is more than many achieved - clean, elbows out and wheel to wheel.TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Odd to see all of this criticism now after the first weekend he has basically done better than Mick.
It's less criticism than he had before 
Besides, do you really rate his Monaco drive as good? Regardless of Mick having a bad weekend. Mazepin was himself way off the pace and the only car issue he had appears to be that he doesn't know how to operate it.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Odd to see all of this criticism now after the first weekend he has basically done better than Mick.
It's less criticism than he had before Besides, do you really rate his Monaco drive as good? Regardless of Mick having a bad weekend. Mazepin was himself way off the pace and the only car issue he had appears to be that he doesn't know how to operate it.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&...
He was the fastest of the two overall.
Siao said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Odd to see all of this criticism now after the first weekend he has basically done better than Mick.
It's less criticism than he had before Besides, do you really rate his Monaco drive as good? Regardless of Mick having a bad weekend. Mazepin was himself way off the pace and the only car issue he had appears to be that he doesn't know how to operate it.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&...
He was the fastest of the two overall.
Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
thegreenhell said:
Siao said:
He overtook Mazepin on merit,
He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.Try to check the link with the lap comparison and then you can decide who was faster of the two
TheDeuce said:
Siao said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
HustleRussell said:
Odd to see all of this criticism now after the first weekend he has basically done better than Mick.
It's less criticism than he had before Besides, do you really rate his Monaco drive as good? Regardless of Mick having a bad weekend. Mazepin was himself way off the pace and the only car issue he had appears to be that he doesn't know how to operate it.
The record will show mazepin was 'better' if you like. Kinda meaningless in the context of his genuine performance as a driver though.
He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&...
He was the fastest of the two overall.
Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
Based on what we know about Mazepin’s character and also his behaviour behind the wheel, I was very surprised that he permitted Mick to pass there- he very clearly left it a day late to shut the door but then left room and didn’t allow it to come to blows.
An opportunistic move from Mick which would’ve had the garage wincing. It relied upon a lot of compliance from Maz. I can’t imagine teams are encouraging their drivers to have a go on their teammates into the hairpin on lap one, but credit to both Haas rookies- they played nice.
An opportunistic move from Mick which would’ve had the garage wincing. It relied upon a lot of compliance from Maz. I can’t imagine teams are encouraging their drivers to have a go on their teammates into the hairpin on lap one, but credit to both Haas rookies- they played nice.
TheDeuce said:
Quite - Mick was fastest in the race. Also fastest in FP3 running quali sims: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&...
Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
‘Faster’ is your word not mine. As I keep saying, my take away from the weekend is that Maz appeared to do better than Mick. He finished all sessions, he appeared to be on similar pace to Mick and he qualified. In the context of the first four rounds this is in my opinion worthy of recognition. Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
HustleRussell said:
Based on what we know about Mazepin’s character and also his behaviour behind the wheel, I was very surprised that he permitted Mick to pass there- he very clearly left it a day late to shut the door but then left room and didn’t allow it to come to blows.
An opportunistic move from Mick which would’ve had the garage wincing. It relied upon a lot of compliance from Maz. I can’t imagine teams are encouraging their drivers to have a go on their teammates into the hairpin on lap one, but credit to both Haas rookies- they played nice.
It was too late for Maz to do anything frankly, and I was also happy to see that he opened up rather than closing the door (which would mean a collision at that point). All overtakes in Monaco are opportunistic and need co-operation from both drivers, they are not your typical DRS passes nor the good old "slipstream and pass". It was awesome thinking from Mick, pass at that early stage where Maz was napping behind the other cars, brilliant.An opportunistic move from Mick which would’ve had the garage wincing. It relied upon a lot of compliance from Maz. I can’t imagine teams are encouraging their drivers to have a go on their teammates into the hairpin on lap one, but credit to both Haas rookies- they played nice.
HustleRussell said:
‘Faster’ is your word not mine. As I keep saying, my take away from the weekend is that Maz appeared to do better than Mick. He finished all sessions, he appeared to be on similar pace to Mick and he qualified. In the context of the first four rounds this is in my opinion worthy of recognition.
My thinking is that because he was less sh*t than usual, he looked good. This is the idea I'm getting from your post. But that doesn't make him actually faster than Mick. His fastest lap was almost half a second slower than Mick's if you want to go by the numbersHustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
Quite - Mick was fastest in the race. Also fastest in FP3 running quali sims: http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=chart&...
Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
‘Faster’ is your word not mine. As I keep saying, my take away from the weekend is that Maz appeared to do better than Mick. He finished all sessions, he appeared to be on similar pace to Mick and he qualified. In the context of the first four rounds this is in my opinion worthy of recognition. Obviously Mick let himself down with the crash.. But had he not done so he was well on track to qualify ahead of Mazepin, and in the race he was clearly quicker until he suffered mechanical issues.
Unless HustleRussell can point to some alternative numbers that show Mazepin was somehow faster..!? Hopefully something other than pointing at the race results - which prove only that on the day Mazepin had the faster car, not that on any day he was actually the faster driver.
I just don't think anything we saw in Monaco from Mazepin was encouraging. I saw Mazepin doing what was expected, being relatively slow to avoid another comedy accident. He appeared at a glance less hopeless than usual because his team mate had a shocker of a weekend - but the numbers reveal that, incidents aside, MS was, as ever, notably quicker than Mazepin.
HustleRussell said:
Mazepin just did better than Mick.
He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
Um, not quite. Mick had a major issue that cost him about 20s plus IIRC and he still got back up to Mazepin and was told not to pass.He was, for the first time ever, equal on pace with Mick. Mick crashed and did not qualify for the race while Maz did. Maz defied all expectations by keeping it clean all weekend.
For the record.. if at any quali session this season mazepin does equal MS's outright pace, I'll be the first to update my opinion of him*. Doubt it'll happen though - mazepin is probably fast enough to keep up in theory, but in practice he seems to crash whilst trying.
- *But it has to be a quali session without car troubles or other obvious hindrances to either driver. It has to be on merit.
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