Haas chose Russia’s Nikita Mazepin

[HocusPocus]

On this occasion Masterplan had a decent weekend, kept it on the island and beat his team mate (yes yes blah blah Mick this that). One outing though does not yet forge a reputation as a F1 driver.

[TheDeuce]

HocusPocus said:

On this occasion Masterplan had a decent weekend, kept it on the island and beat his team mate (yes yes blah blah Mick this that). One outing though does not yet forge a reputation as a F1 driver.

He beat MS who didn't take part in quali and had a failing car in the race

Not crashing his own car was mazepin's only achievement of the weekend. By every other comparison he was as uninspiring as ever. If you take MS's issues out of the equation, this weekend was no different to any other for mazepin.

[vaud]

HocusPocus said:

On this occasion Masterplan had a decent weekend, kept it on the island and beat his team mate (yes yes blah blah Mick this that). One outing though does not yet forge a reputation as a F1 driver.

And he lost a place to one of the few "elbows out" overtakes of the race.

[HocusPocus]

Look guys, am just adding a bit of balance so we do not all seem biased against a Russian Billionaire oligarch immature kid trying to discover some talent.

He chalked one up against Mick. Be kind to Masterplan...it might not happen again!

[TheDeuce]

HocusPocus said:

Look guys, am just adding a bit of balance so we do not all seem biased against a Russian Billionaire oligarch immature kid trying to discover some talent.

He chalked one up against Mick. Be kind to Masterplan...it might not happen again!

Fair enough..

Mick gifted mazepin a hollow statistical anomaly in a season that will otherwise be infested by abject failure

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

He beat MS who didn't take part in quali

Remind us why that was, though.

[Teddy Lop]

thegreenhell said:

Siao said:

He overtook Mazepin on merit,

He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.

That move at the hairpin was audacious and he should thank mazepin that both their races didn't end there. Wouldn't be the first time or the most prolific.

[HocusPocus]

Teddy Lop said:

thegreenhell said:

Siao said:

He overtook Mazepin on merit,

He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.

That move at the hairpin was audacious and he should thank mazepin that both their races didn't end there. Wouldn't be the first time or the most prolific.

Mick was just in a rush to get his towel down at the swimming pool.

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

He beat MS who didn't take part in quali

Remind us why that was, though.

Already covered that when I said fair enough it was Mick's error...

But whilst errors by others might help mazepin statistically, it won't change the fact the numbers show he was still the slower driver.

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

He beat MS who didn't take part in quali

Remind us why that was, though.

Already covered that when I said fair enough it was Mick's error...

All I'm getting at is don't try to use it as a positive to say Mick did better because he missed quali, when in reality all it did was guarantee starting 20th, when otherwise he would have started either 19th or 20th. It made no difference to the race result.

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

He beat MS who didn't take part in quali

Remind us why that was, though.

Already covered that when I said fair enough it was Mick's error...

All I'm getting at is don't try to use it as a positive to say Mick did better because he missed quali, when in reality all it did was guarantee starting 20th, when otherwise he would have started either 19th or 20th. It made no difference to the race result.

And all I'm getting at is don't try to suggest mazepin had a good weekend just because his team mate had an uncharacteristically bad one.

Mazepin just had a typical Mazepin weekend - he was slower than he should have been throughout. MS was driving a working car for long enough over the weekend to make that evident.

Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 1st June 22:38

[Siao]

Teddy Lop said:

thegreenhell said:

Siao said:

He overtook Mazepin on merit,

He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.

That move at the hairpin was audacious and he should thank mazepin that both their races didn't end there. Wouldn't be the first time or the most prolific.

There have been overtakes there over the years, safe ones. Leclerc did one just a couple of years ago, it just needs the cooperation of both drivers in Monaco.

[TheDeuce]

Siao said:

Teddy Lop said:

thegreenhell said:

Siao said:

He overtook Mazepin on merit,

He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.

That move at the hairpin was audacious and he should thank mazepin that both their races didn't end there. Wouldn't be the first time or the most prolific.

There have been overtakes there over the years, safe ones. Leclerc did one just a couple of years ago, it just needs the cooperation of both drivers in Monaco.

It's fair to say mazepin was sensibly compliant as he was passed. The lap times show MS was faster before and after the pass so it needed to happen, and it was probably the best place.

[Siao]

TheDeuce said:

Siao said:

Teddy Lop said:

thegreenhell said:

Siao said:

He overtook Mazepin on merit,

He pushed his way past in the traffic jam at the hairpin, in typical German fashion. It wasn't because he was faster. He just got his elbows out and seemed to surprise Mazepin, who rather jumped out of the way.

That move at the hairpin was audacious and he should thank mazepin that both their races didn't end there. Wouldn't be the first time or the most prolific.

There have been overtakes there over the years, safe ones. Leclerc did one just a couple of years ago, it just needs the cooperation of both drivers in Monaco.

It's fair to say mazepin was sensibly compliant as he was passed. The lap times show MS was faster before and after the pass so it needed to happen, and it was probably the best place.

Absolutely, I said the same thing earlier in the thread, it takes two for an overtake in Monaco. Mick was faster overall than Mazepin, the only time that he wasn't was when his car had the issue for some time.

[Sandpit Steve]

Siao said:

There have been overtakes there over the years, safe ones. Leclerc did one just a couple of years ago, it just needs the cooperation of both drivers in Monaco.

Yes, the guy being overtaken needs to understand in places like that. Very easy for it to finish in a collision.

[HardtopManual]

Every F1 driver I've seen before (yes, even Maldonado and Taki Inoue) has left me thinking, "I could never do that."

Mazepin is the first driver I've seen who makes me think, "Yeah, I could compete at his level."

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Why are people suggesting Mazepin had a good weekend when he was overtaken by the only guy behind him, who didn't even qualify and, who had to let him back past (under request from the team) when he had a mechanical problem that meant he lost performance.

[vaud]

HardtopManual said:

Every F1 driver I've seen before (yes, even Maldonado and Taki Inoue) has left me thinking, "I could never do that."

Mazepin is the first driver I've seen who makes me think, "Yeah, I could compete at his level."

To be fair to Mazepin, he is better than Inoue and I doubt any of us could get within 10 secs of the pole time.

[TheDeuce]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Why are people suggesting Mazepin had a good weekend when he was overtaken by the only guy behind him, who didn't even qualify and, who had to let him back past (under request from the team) when he had a mechanical problem that meant he lost performance.

Some folk are just desperate for the underdog to come good..?

But you're right, mazepin just had a typical weekend. His team mate had a stty weekend. Proven by the numbers.

[HustleRussell]

TheDeuce said:

Some folk are just desperate

You should write tabloid news