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Just a suggestion but with so many F1 drivers and team members (some of those 2020 redundancies) being around why not :
3 cars a team.
Friday qualifying reducing 30 cars to 25.
Saturday qualifying reducing 25 to 20.
Two different liveries allowed in a team so the third driver can be supported and funded by a new sponsor.
This way it would be survival of the quickest and all those “how quick would *** be if he was in a ***” questions would be answered.
3 cars a team.
Friday qualifying reducing 30 cars to 25.
Saturday qualifying reducing 25 to 20.
Two different liveries allowed in a team so the third driver can be supported and funded by a new sponsor.
This way it would be survival of the quickest and all those “how quick would *** be if he was in a ***” questions would be answered.
if you take just a minute to think about it it won't make a blind bit of difference . .
Who is going to pay sponsorship to team that never makes it out of Friday!
The reason there are only 20 cars on the grid is that the sponsorship avaiable, after excluding tobacco and drinks companies, will only support 9/10 teams of 2 cars.
Who is going to pay sponsorship to team that never makes it out of Friday!
The reason there are only 20 cars on the grid is that the sponsorship avaiable, after excluding tobacco and drinks companies, will only support 9/10 teams of 2 cars.
I would scrap all driver contracts, and have the drivers contracted to F1 rather than individual teams. Then have the same number of races as there are cars entered, so each driver gets to drive for each team twice during the season.
- Provides separation of driver skill and dominant car, but still allows the best driver and best team to win their respective championships, without being reliant on each other.
- Eliminates unworthy pay drivers.
- Opportunity to give automatic promotion from F2 to F1 each year, reducing the number of career hangers-on blocking new drivers from coming in.
Tazar said:
Just a suggestion but with so many F1 drivers and team members (some of those 2020 redundancies) being around why not :
3 cars a team.
Friday qualifying reducing 30 cars to 25.
Saturday qualifying reducing 25 to 20.
Two different liveries allowed in a team so the third driver can be supported and funded by a new sponsor.
This way it would be survival of the quickest and all those “how quick would *** be if he was in a ***” questions would be answered.
Based on this year, your grid would be:3 cars a team.
Friday qualifying reducing 30 cars to 25.
Saturday qualifying reducing 25 to 20.
Two different liveries allowed in a team so the third driver can be supported and funded by a new sponsor.
This way it would be survival of the quickest and all those “how quick would *** be if he was in a ***” questions would be answered.
3 x Mercedes
3 x Red Bulls
3 x McLarens
3 x Renaults
3 x Racing Points
No Ferrari (!) no Sauber, no Alpha Tauri, no Haas, no Williams.
Here is what should happen.
1) Remove power steering from the cars
2) Remove front wings
3) Provide the option to teams to run either hybrid or standard V8 engines
4) Provide the option of two tyre manufacturers
5) Remove radio communication for 90% of the track, make it available on pit straight only
6) Reduce calendar to 18 races, with 2 or 3 races on a rotational basis to cycle through historic tracks
7) Consign Yas Marina to the bin
8) Bring back refuelling
1) Remove power steering from the cars
2) Remove front wings
3) Provide the option to teams to run either hybrid or standard V8 engines
4) Provide the option of two tyre manufacturers
5) Remove radio communication for 90% of the track, make it available on pit straight only
6) Reduce calendar to 18 races, with 2 or 3 races on a rotational basis to cycle through historic tracks
7) Consign Yas Marina to the bin
8) Bring back refuelling
Galileo said:
The most obvious solution is what the Sky boys have been banging on about for months. Make the teams have to use all three tyre compounds in each race.
That's just contrived, rather like the silly DRS thing. The answer surely is to reduce mechanical grip, breaking performance and overall technology. That would make the racing much more exciting but the problem is that F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of driving technology. F1 has sent itself down a rabbit hole because the racing is so incredibly dull precisely as a result of the technical rules and a philosophy that aims to promote technological progress which ultimately may benefit real world cars. Compare MotoGp where the rules don't really change and technical enhancements are closely governed and sometimes control items are used (as with the ecu and electronic rider aids). The motorbikes are much slower than cars but the racing is much more exciting and closer. Fastest lap doesn't always equal the best racing. And before anyone says it Motogp is incredibly close racing and very exciting even when MM93 is on the grid!
Don't understand the calls for refueling to come back in. As I remember, it was pretty processional when we had that in the early 2000s.....
My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
Gixer968CS said:
That's just contrived, rather like the silly DRS thing. The answer surely is to reduce mechanical grip, breaking performance and overall technology. That would make the racing much more exciting but the problem is that F1 would no longer be the pinnacle of driving technology. F1 has sent itself down a rabbit hole because the racing is so incredibly dull precisely as a result of the technical rules and a philosophy that aims to promote technological progress which ultimately may benefit real world cars.
Compare MotoGp where the rules don't really change and technical enhancements are closely governed and sometimes control items are used (as with the ecu and electronic rider aids). The motorbikes are much slower than cars but the racing is much more exciting and closer. Fastest lap doesn't always equal the best racing. And before anyone says it Motogp is incredibly close racing and very exciting even when MM93 is on the grid!
Yes I agree its contrived, but ALL rules are contrived (by definition) Fuel limits etc are contrived. why not use as much as you want? But using all the tyres is a cheap fix without needing to change the cars. It could be instigated at the next race. Compare MotoGp where the rules don't really change and technical enhancements are closely governed and sometimes control items are used (as with the ecu and electronic rider aids). The motorbikes are much slower than cars but the racing is much more exciting and closer. Fastest lap doesn't always equal the best racing. And before anyone says it Motogp is incredibly close racing and very exciting even when MM93 is on the grid!
MotoGP is close and exciting mostly due to the lack of aero. Take aero away from F1 and unfortunately you're left with a very fast and expensive FFord. Which maybe wouldnt be a bad thing. Imagine the corner drifting!!
Is F1 really so bad at the moment? The last few seasons have been by some margin better than the vast majority of F1 seasons full stop.
Race at decent circuits and try and reduce the issues with following another car, and you've fixed two of the biggest issues in F1 at the moment. We've only had a couple of absolute dogs of races in the past 2 years, and they've been at circuits that rarely generate exciting racing (Paul Ricard and Abu Dhabi).
I think trying to rein in the performance of the best teams is a slippery slope, the Mercedes team are absolutely phenomenal, artificially limiting that will just see another team taking that spot. F1 has pretty much always been cyclical in that respect.
Race at decent circuits and try and reduce the issues with following another car, and you've fixed two of the biggest issues in F1 at the moment. We've only had a couple of absolute dogs of races in the past 2 years, and they've been at circuits that rarely generate exciting racing (Paul Ricard and Abu Dhabi).
I think trying to rein in the performance of the best teams is a slippery slope, the Mercedes team are absolutely phenomenal, artificially limiting that will just see another team taking that spot. F1 has pretty much always been cyclical in that respect.
Muzzer79 said:
Don't understand the calls for refueling to come back in. As I remember, it was pretty processional when we had that in the early 2000s.....
My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
I like all of these, but not sure on the reason for the last one. What's the driver for that? Cost cutting?My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
Fingers crossed that 2022 can deliver 2 + 3.
PixelpeepZ4 said:
bring back refuelling, take away anything that makes them have to drive conservatively (tyre limits)
take away car telemetry, take away team orders, take away blue flags.
I can’t imagine why you said that. I spent several years flagging motor races, and we always considered the blue flag to be a safety flag, not a way of interfering with the evolution of a race.take away car telemetry, take away team orders, take away blue flags.
You would be surprised how many tail enders are in a world of their own until they spot you waving a blue at them. Their immediate reaction is to look at their mirrors, probably something they haven’t done since the start of the race.
Roofless Toothless said:
PixelpeepZ4 said:
bring back refuelling, take away anything that makes them have to drive conservatively (tyre limits)
take away car telemetry, take away team orders, take away blue flags.
I can’t imagine why you said that. I spent several years flagging motor races, and we always considered the blue flag to be a safety flag, not a way of interfering with the evolution of a race.take away car telemetry, take away team orders, take away blue flags.
You would be surprised how many tail enders are in a world of their own until they spot you waving a blue at them. Their immediate reaction is to look at their mirrors, probably something they haven’t done since the start of the race.
Allow proper customer cars like the olden days therefore using up 2020 spare parts that the big teams must have? So racing point would officially race with a 12 month old Merc. Of course the FIA would have to stop pissing about with the rules every 12 months to allow this to happen. Keep 1 set of rules for 10 years and let the teams get on with it.
budgie smuggler said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't understand the calls for refueling to come back in. As I remember, it was pretty processional when we had that in the early 2000s.....
My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
I like all of these, but not sure on the reason for the last one. What's the driver for that? Cost cutting?My suggestions
1) Remove pit-to-car-to-pit radio and telemetry, aside from safety-related issues and calls to enter the pits.
2) Sort the aero so cars can follow and overtake
3) Remove DRS after point 2) has been initiated.
4) Retain hybrid drive, but simplified
5) Reserve driver must be from the F2 pool and must be used if prime driver is unavailable.
6) Test on a Monday after the race at each circuit, with a driver who hasn't participated in a GP in 2 years.
7) Teams are assigned a hospitality unit at all circuits - remove motorhomes, etc.
Hopefully not spending £x gazillion on motorhomes would contribute towards teams being under less pressure to take pay drivers.
Definitely a few “wild card” circuits every year, after the way this one turned out. Some of the most boring like Barcelona, Shanghai and even Monaco (sacrilege I know) need binning, Monaco for all its glitz is more about who qualifies first and then a two hour procession interspersed by the odd crash.
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