Spicing up F1

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craigjm

17,955 posts

200 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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Milkyway said:
Just have a big machine like the old Lottery machines with the drivers numbers on them.
A big celebrity can hit the button.
The order that they come out in is the grid.
That wouldn’t be such a bad idea if they had two races each weekend so there was something Saturday and Sunday. Random chosen grids could make for some interesting racing. The current system of putting the fastest car at the front is a bit silly when you think about it

Exige46

318 posts

236 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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craigjm said:
Milkyway said:
Just have a big machine like the old Lottery machines with the drivers numbers on them.
A big celebrity can hit the button.
The order that they come out in is the grid.
That wouldn’t be such a bad idea if they had two races each weekend so there was something Saturday and Sunday. Random chosen grids could make for some interesting racing. The current system of putting the fastest car at the front is a bit silly when you think about it
Depends whether you want sport or entertainment.

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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freedman said:
Gad-Westy said:
Not a massive fan of sprint races but if we're going to have them, I quite like the idea of the spring race being reverse qualifying order with every position scoring points. Main event reverts to qualifying positions for start.
Reverse qualifying order, like BOP and DRS is a blight on Motorsport world wide.

We’ve ended up having series that punish those who are successful, by weight gain, extended pit stops and reverse grids. BOP evening up a field, so we have no true idea of which manufacturers are actually producing the fastest cars
I'd put DRS a tier or two down due to its being implemented consistently across a field, ie it doesn't unevenly punish a team for it's success, and is more a crude design rules patch than a performance equaliser. BoP breaks my brain though - at least with perverse grid racing you can easily appreciate the interference in the natural order or purity.

That said the current BTCC where they combine reverse grids with extra points for passing has me intrigued (in the sense I've accepted something interferey and the notion of fighting it a fools errand so one just has to enjoy it for its cheap guilty pleasures)

Sheetmaself

5,676 posts

198 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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Single order 2 lap average speed qualifying to either set a race or a sprint grid.

Go off in championship order so first place goes first, track evolves over the laps and gives an opportunity to others but doesn’t make it too easy.

BrettMRC

4,089 posts

160 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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Constructors should score additional points for the number of PU components they use UNDER the limit at the end of the season...

Fat Thor

2,153 posts

171 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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Why can we not have push to pass like in Indy?

craigjm

17,955 posts

200 months

Monday 20th June 2022
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Exige46 said:
craigjm said:
Milkyway said:
Just have a big machine like the old Lottery machines with the drivers numbers on them.
A big celebrity can hit the button.
The order that they come out in is the grid.
That wouldn’t be such a bad idea if they had two races each weekend so there was something Saturday and Sunday. Random chosen grids could make for some interesting racing. The current system of putting the fastest car at the front is a bit silly when you think about it
Depends whether you want sport or entertainment.
It isn’t really a sport is it

InformationSuperHighway

6,016 posts

184 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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craigjm said:
It isn’t really a sport is it
Its been dubious since the Netflix deal but it officially died on the last lap of the last race last season.

craigjm

17,955 posts

200 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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InformationSuperHighway said:
craigjm said:
It isn’t really a sport is it
Its been dubious since the Netflix deal but it officially died on the last lap of the last race last season.
In my opinion it hasn’t been a sport for much much longer than that. For years you could put any of the drivers in the best car and they would win. That to me means it’s not a sport. Sure the sack of flesh in the seat has some impact but they are not the biggest cause of the impact to win.

911r

241 posts

25 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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InformationSuperHighway said:
craigjm said:
It isn’t really a sport is it
Its been dubious since the Netflix deal but it officially died on the last lap of the last race last season.
Agreed I’ve not watched one race this season . I just check the results now . Last season was the nail in the coffin .

And when I do watch the highlights sometimes , what on earth is that fake crowd noise . F1 is a farce .

paulguitar

23,417 posts

113 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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craigjm said:
In my opinion it hasn’t been a sport for much much longer than that. For years you could put any of the drivers in the best car and they would win. That to me means it’s not a sport. Sure the sack of flesh in the seat has some impact but they are not the biggest cause of the impact to win.
If that's your objection, it goes back literally to when F1 started. For example, in the early days of F1, the original 'Silver Arrows' were dominant with Fangio and Moss at the wheel. Moss was happy to follow 'Maestro' in his wheel tracks throughout the season, such was his respect for him. That would make people apoplectic now. It was the best car and it had the best drivers. That has happened, with very few exceptions, since 1950.

The driver has always been a relatively small part of the overall equation, but the teams find their contribution significant enough that they are willing to pay tens of millions for the very best.

fuit semper ita







paulguitar

23,417 posts

113 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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911r said:
Agreed I’ve not watched one race this season . I just check the results now . Last season was the nail in the coffin .

And when I do watch the highlights sometimes , what on earth is that fake crowd noise . F1 is a farce .
We've had some very good racing this season, particularly in the early races before Ferrari imploded. There have been several really exciting races for the lead of the race, something that occurred very, very rarely in 'the good old days'.

The debacle that occurred in Abu Dhabi, last season, however, was a disgrace that will stain the sport for as long as it exists.





craigjm

17,955 posts

200 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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paulguitar said:
craigjm said:
In my opinion it hasn’t been a sport for much much longer than that. For years you could put any of the drivers in the best car and they would win. That to me means it’s not a sport. Sure the sack of flesh in the seat has some impact but they are not the biggest cause of the impact to win.
If that's your objection, it goes back literally to when F1 started. For example, in the early days of F1, the original 'Silver Arrows' were dominant with Fangio and Moss at the wheel. Moss was happy to follow 'Maestro' in his wheel tracks throughout the season, such was his respect for him. That would make people apoplectic now. It was the best car and it had the best drivers. That has happened, with very few exceptions, since 1950.

The driver has always been a relatively small part of the overall equation, but the teams find their contribution significant enough that they are willing to pay tens of millions for the very best.

fuit semper ita
I never said it was an objection. I have always watched it more as entertainment than any kind of sport

paulguitar

23,417 posts

113 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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craigjm said:
I never said it was an objection. I have always watched it more as entertainment than any kind of sport
Understood. It's part of F1's DNA really, the building of cars from scratch by different manufacturers. In many ways, spec series are much purer.

PH User

22,154 posts

108 months

Tuesday 21st June 2022
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craigjm said:
paulguitar said:
craigjm said:
In my opinion it hasn’t been a sport for much much longer than that. For years you could put any of the drivers in the best car and they would win. That to me means it’s not a sport. Sure the sack of flesh in the seat has some impact but they are not the biggest cause of the impact to win.
If that's your objection, it goes back literally to when F1 started. For example, in the early days of F1, the original 'Silver Arrows' were dominant with Fangio and Moss at the wheel. Moss was happy to follow 'Maestro' in his wheel tracks throughout the season, such was his respect for him. That would make people apoplectic now. It was the best car and it had the best drivers. That has happened, with very few exceptions, since 1950.

The driver has always been a relatively small part of the overall equation, but the teams find their contribution significant enough that they are willing to pay tens of millions for the very best.

fuit semper ita
I never said it was an objection. I have always watched it more as entertainment than any kind of sport
For me a sport is something where you need to be physically fit, which you very much do need to be in F1.

The person behind the wheel does have a pretty big impact on performance, so that also makes F1 a sport.

Gary C

12,431 posts

179 months

Wednesday 22nd June 2022
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paulguitar said:
Abu Dhabi, last season, however, was a disgrace that will stain the sport for as long as it exists.
You want Abu Dhabi not to exist !

bit extreme wink