Official 2021 Grand Prix Support races thread (F2, F3 & W)
Discussion
Teddy Lop said:
The seats are there for anyone with the talent and backing to take them, and women already have an upper hand in the latter these days.
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.I also agree that forcing series to have a minimum % of female drivers is a terrible idea. In fact, it's a sexist idea.
TheDeuce said:
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.
Is there any evidence of that happening? You might argue that no females have shown themselves with equal talent yet, but those that have tried haven't been conspicuously well backed financially.TheDeuce said:
I also agree that forcing series to have a minimum % of female drivers is a terrible idea. In fact, it's a sexist idea.
What, like a female-only series...?thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.
Is there any evidence of that happening? You might argue that no females have shown themselves with equal talent yet, but those that have tried haven't been conspicuously well backed financially.
Which I think is fair enough. But in that imaginary scenario, the teams would surely gain a massive amount of positive exposure for being the first to bring a female driver in to F1 since 1976. Rightly or wrongly, it ticks a PR box these days, that has a value.thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
I also agree that forcing series to have a minimum % of female drivers is a terrible idea. In fact, it's a sexist idea.
What, like a female-only series...?I'll admit it's still basically segregation which, regardless of purpose or intent, I simply don't approve of. But it's not as bad as saying that teams have to ignore who is best for the job in a mixed sex series simply because they have a quota to fill..
thegreenhell said:
TheDeuce said:
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.
Is there any evidence of that happening? You might argue that no females have shown themselves with equal talent yet, but those that have tried haven't been conspicuously well backed financially.TheDeuce said:
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.
I also agree that forcing series to have a minimum % of female drivers is a terrible idea. In fact, it's a sexist idea.
Sponsors would love to see a lady F1 driver there on merit. Look at all the endorsements Danica Patrick got in the US. I also agree that forcing series to have a minimum % of female drivers is a terrible idea. In fact, it's a sexist idea.
They would have to be there on merit though, not like Giovanna Amati, paying to run around at the back several seconds off the pace.
TheDeuce said:
Teddy Lop said:
The seats are there for anyone with the talent and backing to take them, and women already have an upper hand in the latter these days.
That's true and a good point. If we imagine two equal drivers, one male, one female - the female would get the seat I think. It would be PR gold dust and some serious potential sponsors would love to be associated with it.Sandpit Steve said:
Putting the support race (F3 this weekend) on 100 minutes after F1 qualifying, does seem something of an own goal this year. Last year it was 40 minutes later, so the programme ran straight after the qualifying analysis show. Many casual viewers will have switched off by now.
Was W Series on straight after quali? Does seem very odd having the F3 on this late 
WonkeyDonkey said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Putting the support race (F3 this weekend) on 100 minutes after F1 qualifying, does seem something of an own goal this year. Last year it was 40 minutes later, so the programme ran straight after the qualifying analysis show. Many casual viewers will have switched off by now.
Was W Series on straight after quali? Does seem very odd having the F3 on this late Not very exciting unfortunately - F3 Race 2 is definitely a lot more entertaining.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Was W Series on straight after quali? Does seem very odd having the F3 on this late
Ah, yes you’re right. But because of the screwed up media rights, it’s on some online C4 channel, and Sky go out of their way not to mention it.
Edit: I defer to @Jonchalk who says it was live on C4.
Sandpit Steve said:
Ah, yes you’re right.
But because of the screwed up media rights, it’s on some online C4 channel, and Sky go out of their way not to mention it.
Edit: I defer to @Jonchalk who says it was live on C4.
No problem - C4 are really screwing around with it - live on More4 last week, so SD only if you haven't got Sky & may as well have put it on Orkney TV at midnight.But because of the screwed up media rights, it’s on some online C4 channel, and Sky go out of their way not to mention it.
Edit: I defer to @Jonchalk who says it was live on C4.
If it gets in the way of something that will earn them some ad revenue, it looks like they demote it, which is really stupid.
Why W Series didn't just jump on the F1/F2/F2 coverage bandwagon is a mystery.
JonChalk said:
No problem - C4 are really screwing around with it - live on More4 last week, so SD only if you haven't got Sky & may as well have put it on Orkney TV at midnight.
If it gets in the way of something that will earn them some ad revenue, it looks like they demote it, which is really stupid.
Why W Series didn't just jump on the F1/F2/F2 coverage bandwagon is a mystery.
The answer to your question is David Couthard, who’s both a shareholder in W Series and in the production company doing the F1 C4 show. If it gets in the way of something that will earn them some ad revenue, it looks like they demote it, which is really stupid.
Why W Series didn't just jump on the F1/F2/F2 coverage bandwagon is a mystery.
If they want to get as many people watching as possible, they really should both let Sky show it as part of their weekend coverage, and get extended highlights online somewhere like Youtube quickly afterwards. Last week’s highlights video was three minutes long, and posted on Sunday just as the F1 race started.
The average F1 fan, watching the weekend’s Sky coverage with their daughter, didn’t even know about the WS race.
JonChalk said:
No problem - C4 are really screwing around with it - live on More4 last week, so SD only if you haven't got Sky & may as well have put it on Orkney TV at midnight.
If it gets in the way of something that will earn them some ad revenue, it looks like they demote it, which is really stupid.
Why W Series didn't just jump on the F1/F2/F2 coverage bandwagon is a mystery.
Perhaps sky didn't want to pay anything and more4 found 57p down the back of the sofa.If it gets in the way of something that will earn them some ad revenue, it looks like they demote it, which is really stupid.
Why W Series didn't just jump on the F1/F2/F2 coverage bandwagon is a mystery.
Or maybe they wanted it FTA for the exposure, although you think they'd let sky carry it too.
Anyway back to real racing, today's F3 was super, looks like they've been watching some moto3.
Sandpit Steve said:
The average F1 fan, watching the weekend’s Sky coverage with their daughter, didn’t even know about the WS race.
Exactly right - it's disconnected from F1 and new viewers won't get that race package / day feel - it feels like something outside, a bit like the Porsche Supercup races, which you have to watch on Eurosport, even when they're between F2 & F1 races. No linkage.Poorly thought out.
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