What's in an F1 drivers contract
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ntiz said:
Not sure where I read it but I think LH has said when he was at McLaren they essentially owned or completely controlled everything he did on a commercial basis?
Damon Hill mentioned McLaren's promotional demands in his autobiography. I'm sure that he said it was the most of any team on the grid.He was negotiating with McLaren for a drive in 1998 but the offer was $1m per win and nothing else. Hill felt that this obliged him to do a huge amount of promotional work (for the likes of Boss, TAG Heuer etc.) potentially for free as McLaren were not regular race winners at the time.
LukeBrown66 said:
To add further, this info came from an ex Silverstone employee who was quizzed in a podcast about this stuff, so I can believe it is true.
youve been pushing that nonsense for months and have repeatedly been asked for a link to the podcast, which to date you havent been able to provide. I think it was on a podcast, I listen to hundreds of them so it is still out there somewhere, was an ex relatively senior employee at Silverstone, interesting chap as it goes and he was simply asked about riders for F1 drivers, he was not being anything other than honest.
If you dont want to believe this, fair enough. It's hardly a bombshell is it, but it does make you think how far up their backsides some of these peopel are.
If you dont want to believe this, fair enough. It's hardly a bombshell is it, but it does make you think how far up their backsides some of these peopel are.
LukeBrown66 said:
As mentioned previously, and shouted down endlessly by Lewis lovers, he has something in his contract that he must have certain things as a rider at most tracks, a bit ridiculous I think, for a sports person, and even for people in bands or performers, they earn millions, are contracted to turn up anyway, want to to earn points, why does a track that is struggling to make money have to fork out for this stupid nonsense!
Makes no sense to me, then again, F1 doesn't really anymore anyway.
Riders.....Makes no sense to me, then again, F1 doesn't really anymore anyway.
When you understand the history they sort of make sense.
Back in the 70s, rock band's live shows were becoming increasingly elaborate which required the venue to provide all manner of technical things which were set out in a list sent by the band's management prior to arrival. Van Halen's manager became increasingly frustrated at arriving at venues and finding half of what was needed wasn't there requiring last minute panics to get everything in place for the show.
In order to asses whether a venue had followed the instructions he started to include stipulations like M&M but with the red ones removed into another bowl. Then, when they arrived at venue and saw the two bowls as per instruction, they knew that everything else would be in place as requested.
Obviously it's been taken to extreme by some but there's a certain logic to it.
As to the suggestion that LH sets out such demands seems a little odd. You mentioned this being mentioned by a Silverstone employee about demands placed upon the circuit by Hamilton.
If this is what they have said I would suggest they are very much mistaken or you perhaps misheard. Silverstone - or any other circuit - has no contractual obligation with Hamilton or any of the drivers. The only engagement the drivers have with a circuit is driving on it and using the loos. Actually not even that as they'd probably use those in the motorhome.
Lol.
It is possible I guess, but why would a bloke with nothing to sell or prove lie about it!
It might be down to the promoters maybe, perhaps nothing to do with the track? But it was certainly mentioned and talked about for a bit and he worked for Silverstone so had to do all the layout and prep for GP weekend, and this was one thing mentioned.
It is possible I guess, but why would a bloke with nothing to sell or prove lie about it!
It might be down to the promoters maybe, perhaps nothing to do with the track? But it was certainly mentioned and talked about for a bit and he worked for Silverstone so had to do all the layout and prep for GP weekend, and this was one thing mentioned.
The phone charger thing I wouldn't see as a big deal anyway. It might even just be "a phone charger needs to be available".
If it's the middle of a grand Prix weekend and a charger has been forgotten, with how much everything will be timetabled out and they end up with a low/ dead battery it's a lot easier to know someone will have one for you rather than having to go or send someone down the road to Tesco or whatever to pick one up.
Forgotten phone chargers can cause enough headaches even on club race weekends!
If it's the middle of a grand Prix weekend and a charger has been forgotten, with how much everything will be timetabled out and they end up with a low/ dead battery it's a lot easier to know someone will have one for you rather than having to go or send someone down the road to Tesco or whatever to pick one up.
Forgotten phone chargers can cause enough headaches even on club race weekends!
ralphrj said:
Damon Hill mentioned McLaren's promotional demands in his autobiography. I'm sure that he said it was the most of any team on the grid.
He was negotiating with McLaren for a drive in 1998 but the offer was $1m per win and nothing else. Hill felt that this obliged him to do a huge amount of promotional work (for the likes of Boss, TAG Heuer etc.) potentially for free as McLaren were not regular race winners at the time.
Ironically it was a huge mistake as they were the dominant car that season. McLaren has always demanded a lot from their drivers promotions wise. I think Coulthard had the best attitude. He always said that the promotional work was his job and the racing was his hobby (or something along those lines). Button had a similar attitude that the promotional work was very important and not to be avoided or just tolerated as with so many other drivers.He was negotiating with McLaren for a drive in 1998 but the offer was $1m per win and nothing else. Hill felt that this obliged him to do a huge amount of promotional work (for the likes of Boss, TAG Heuer etc.) potentially for free as McLaren were not regular race winners at the time.
As I said at the time I doubt the driver even knew about it, probably sorted by some jumped up management company who do this thing all the time and probably end up using most of the stuff themselves anyway.
This type of sports star has an endless stream of people telling them what to do, when, how and why.
It is why a lot of them lose their initial popularity, which is I feel a problem for Lewis.
Look at Button, he came across as arrogant, rich, etc etc at Benetton and his early years, ended up being loved as he changed his attitude a bit. It can be done.
This type of sports star has an endless stream of people telling them what to do, when, how and why.
It is why a lot of them lose their initial popularity, which is I feel a problem for Lewis.
Look at Button, he came across as arrogant, rich, etc etc at Benetton and his early years, ended up being loved as he changed his attitude a bit. It can be done.
LukeBrown66 said:
As I said at the time I doubt the driver even knew about it, probably sorted by some jumped up management company who do this thing all the time and probably end up using most of the stuff themselves anyway.
This type of sports star has an endless stream of people telling them what to do, when, how and why.
It is why a lot of them lose their initial popularity, which is I feel a problem for Lewis.
Look at Button, he came across as arrogant, rich, etc etc at Benetton and his early years, ended up being loved as he changed his attitude a bit. It can be done.
Not really bitter and twisted ? This type of sports star has an endless stream of people telling them what to do, when, how and why.
It is why a lot of them lose their initial popularity, which is I feel a problem for Lewis.
Look at Button, he came across as arrogant, rich, etc etc at Benetton and his early years, ended up being loved as he changed his attitude a bit. It can be done.
You might need professional help.
LukeBrown66 said:
OK chap on advisement from a guy on a forum I will go and speak to a therapist because I heard a guy employed by Silverstone talking about Lewis on a podcast!!! Perhaps you might want to take a sense of humour course yourself lol! It's a bit if fun chap blimey.
It’s nothing to do with what you heard, it’s you taking every opportunity to keep bringing this crap up on every even marginally related thread.You’re obsessed with it.
That chap, is the issue.
Good try with “it’s only a bit of fun though”.
The post is related to it, if you don't like it, there is no need to endlessly comment on it, other people have without being so nasty. Up to you really.
I dont post on f1 much as I loath the sport and find it a sad reflection on what it used to, ought to and could be. But this thread I feel able to comment on.
I dont post on f1 much as I loath the sport and find it a sad reflection on what it used to, ought to and could be. But this thread I feel able to comment on.
AND LOOK AT THAT HE HAS UNLAPPED HIMSELF FROM SENNA!!!
[/Murray Walker]
Thread is back from the pits - let me ask a slightly different question.
You are a young up and coming driver (maybe Max from 4 years ago). You have talent but it could be extinguised if you get yourself into the wrong team and get pasted every week.
What would you want your contract to include to help?
I always liked the line "Shall be provided with equipment and resources not lesser than my team mate" as it covered the widest amount.
[/Murray Walker]
Thread is back from the pits - let me ask a slightly different question.
You are a young up and coming driver (maybe Max from 4 years ago). You have talent but it could be extinguised if you get yourself into the wrong team and get pasted every week.
What would you want your contract to include to help?
I always liked the line "Shall be provided with equipment and resources not lesser than my team mate" as it covered the widest amount.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Button says in one of his books that at some point in his career he started insisting on being able to keep his trophies. Apparently standard practice is for the team to keep them.
It’s the little details like this that no doubt take all the time to resolve.
See Alain Prost at Monza 1989!It’s the little details like this that no doubt take all the time to resolve.
cgt2 said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
Button says in one of his books that at some point in his career he started insisting on being able to keep his trophies. Apparently standard practice is for the team to keep them.
It’s the little details like this that no doubt take all the time to resolve.
See Alain Prost at Monza 1989!It’s the little details like this that no doubt take all the time to resolve.
On the subject of contracts, Jackie Stewart has said he never put a pen to paper with Ken Tyrrell.
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