Official 2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2021 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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HustleRussell

19,425 posts

126 months

Tuesday 1st June
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There will be a lot of flexi wing talk.

Mercedes might struggle with tyre warmup again so we might get Bottas out-qualifying Hamilton and Verstappen out-qualifying both.

I’m very enthused by the fact that post Monaco we have Verstappen and Red Bull at the top of the tables. It will be interesting to see how Mercedes handle the pressure.

I can’t imagine the freakishly long straights favouring Ferrari. McLaren should be third best- It’s tough to pick the rest of the midfield. It may be quite a good one for Alpine?

SmoothCriminal

3,530 posts

165 months

Tuesday 1st June
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Sandpit Steve said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Toto says the bendy wing is going to be worth 6 tenths so that's probably why
If it’s genuinely worth that much, and Max puts it on pole, he’s gonna get protested by someone on the basis of the TV evidence. The stewards are going to have a big call to make, as to whether they send the championship leader to the back of the grid.

We really don’t want the race result to be decided in some committee room, three months later.
Exactly what Toto said in his interview, also Mclaren might be getting in on the party too as they're going to be disadvantaged by ferrari's aswell.

M5-911

642 posts

11 months

Tuesday 1st June
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Ferrari, Redbull and others have basically admitted that they are cheating and they have to spend more money to make a new wing, so they know they are in the wrong.

The test will prove that the original wings they have been using since the first gp is "officially" illegal.

Surely we should see all their drivers and constructors points deducted? It will only be fare to the teams and drivers who have lost points to them.

thegreenhell

8,703 posts

185 months

Tuesday 1st June
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M5-911 said:
Ferrari, Redbull and others have basically admitted that they are cheating and they have to spend more money to make a new wing, so they know they are in the wrong.

The test will prove that the original wings they have been using since the first gp is "officially" illegal.

Surely we should see all their drivers and constructors points deducted? It will only be fare to the teams and drivers who have lost points to them.
But you only design to pass the test, which they have done. Their new parts will pass the new test when it's introduced, so at no time should any part of any car have failed any of the scrutineering tests. Every single team and every car is designed in this way and will be technically illegal in some area that isn't fully tested.

Schermerhorn

4,045 posts

155 months

Tuesday 1st June
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The Aston Martins have good straight line speed so could spring a suprise.


ch37

7,416 posts

187 months

Tuesday 1st June
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Watching the 2017 and 2018 extended highlights on Sky Sports F1 this evening, forgot just how eventful and exciting they were. Looking forward to this weekend.

ajprice

20,594 posts

162 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Bottas has been stuck at the airport in Finland for 5 1/2 hours, he's done his media day stuff by video calls.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1400404275759665152?...

Edited by ajprice on Thursday 3rd June 11:58

vaud

40,749 posts

121 months

Thursday 3rd June
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M5-911 said:
Ferrari, Redbull and others have basically admitted that they are cheating and they have to spend more money to make a new wing, so they know they are in the wrong.

The test will prove that the original wings they have been using since the first gp is "officially" illegal.

Surely we should see all their drivers and constructors points deducted? It will only be fare to the teams and drivers who have lost points to them.
It's not cheating.

If the wing passes the existing FIA load test in the race, then it is legal. That is the test of a cars legality.

If the FIA think a new test needs to be applied then they will give notice and outline the new test.

This isn't a hidden fuel tank / bypassing an FIA control (or whatever Ferrari were doing), removing a fuel filter, etc which are cheating.

Deesee

5,227 posts

49 months

Thursday 3rd June
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M5-911 said:
Surely we should see all their drivers and constructors points deducted? It will only be fare to the teams and drivers who have lost points to them.
The FIA set a precedent last year by retrospectively deducting WCC points from Racing Point (not WDC) with the Merc rear brakes.

Until the new test is brought in the current designs meet the regs framework.

The FIA have given the teams until France to sort it out, Red Bull/Alfa/Ferrari will all run the current 'Flexi' wing here.

Seidl and Toto are unhappy with that as they wanted it brought forwards.. and will protest.

angrymoby

1,472 posts

144 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Deesee said:
The FIA set a precedent last year by retrospectively deducting WCC points from Racing Point (not WDC) with the Merc rear brakes.

Until the new test is brought in the current designs meet the regs framework.

The FIA have given the teams until France to sort it out, Red Bull/Alfa/Ferrari will all run the current 'Flexi' wing here.

Seidl and Toto are unhappy with that as they wanted it brought forwards.. and will protest.
Stewards dont even need the prompt of a protest to bring in extra tests to check legality - as they did in Abu 2014 ...again with Red Bull who were promptly disqualified form Quali


Sandpit Steve

3,067 posts

40 months

Thursday 3rd June
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ajprice said:
Bottas has been stuck at the airport in Finland for 5 1/2 hours, he's done his media day stuff by video calls.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1400404275759665152?...
The poor guy really can’t catch a break, can he?

I’m sure he wasn’t expecting an unserviceable plane to be on his list of problems this week.

Graveworm

6,801 posts

37 months

Thursday 3rd June
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vaud said:
It's not cheating.

If the wing passes the existing FIA load test in the race, then it is legal. That is the test of a cars legality.
Not according to the FIA.
" some rear wings passed tests but had excessive deflections while cars are in motion .. which can have a significant influence on a car's aerodynamic performance and hence could be deemed to contravene the provisions of article 3.8"

SpudLink

3,698 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Graveworm said:
vaud said:
It's not cheating.

If the wing passes the existing FIA load test in the race, then it is legal. That is the test of a cars legality.
Not according to the FIA.
" some rear wings passed tests but had excessive deflections while cars are in motion .. which can have a significant influence on a car's aerodynamic performance and hence could be deemed to contravene the provisions of article 3.8"
As discussed (extensively) on another thread…
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

CoolHands

12,869 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Oh please keep all the wing boringness in that other thread; otherwise it will probably ruin this one

ajprice

20,594 posts

162 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
Bottas has been stuck at the airport in Finland for 5 1/2 hours, he's done his media day stuff by video calls.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1400404275759665152?...
The poor guy really can’t catch a break, can he?

I’m sure he wasn’t expecting an unserviceable plane to be on his list of problems this week.
Mercedes social media are taking the matter very seriously...


Leithen

7,631 posts

233 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
Bottas has been stuck at the airport in Finland for 5 1/2 hours, he's done his media day stuff by video calls.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1400404275759665152?...
The poor guy really can’t catch a break, can he?

I’m sure he wasn’t expecting an unserviceable plane to be on his list of problems this week.
Mercedes service aircraft as well. Who knew? hehe

deadslow

6,948 posts

189 months

Thursday 3rd June
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M5-911 said:
Ferrari, Redbull and others have basically admitted that they are cheating and they have to spend more money to make a new wing, so they know they are in the wrong.

The test will prove that the original wings they have been using since the first gp is "officially" illegal.

Surely we should see all their drivers and constructors points deducted? It will only be fare to the teams and drivers who have lost points to them.
they're not cheating any more than the Merc front wing is cheating. Wolf is melting down under pressure. His personal digs against Max are further proof. When they're not cruising at the front they go full nervous breakdown.

Sandpit Steve

3,067 posts

40 months

Thursday 3rd June
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ajprice said:
Mercedes social media are taking the matter very seriously...

LOL brilliant! Presumably if they’re now making light of the situation, it means they’ve managed to charter him another plane? Can’t imagine there’s loads of bizjets sitting around Helsinki airport waiting for the call.

Deesee

5,227 posts

49 months

Thursday 3rd June
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Red Bull social team on form..


kiseca

9,112 posts

185 months

Thursday 3rd June
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CoolHands said:
Oh please keep all the wing boringness in that other thread; otherwise it will probably ruin this one
Indeed. There's a thread dedicated to the wing issue (and the definition of "cheating"), it's run over 30 pages now and everyone still bothering to post in it is still saying exactly what they were saying on page 1.

This thread will be busy enough without that crap in it.