Official 2021 French Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2021 French Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

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LM240

4,671 posts

218 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Very enjoyable race.

Like most, very surprised when the undercut with Max happened.

I thought the max/Ham fight at the end would run out of time and fizzle out, but again nice to see it happen.

Great having merc and Red Bull fighting. Some good battles elsewhere down the grid also. Would like it if Ferrari in the mix also, but that isn’t going to happen.

Very happy if this continues all year and max can win it (just for the variety).

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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The Surveyor said:
ch37 said:
Another impressive points haul from Norris, comfortably 5th in the drivers championship and is looking like the driver typically most likely to grab podiums if anything happens to the usual top 4 during a race.
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Norris is 4th in the Championship 25 points ahead of Bottas, not 5th. He's showing superb consistency and is the only driver to have scored points in every race of the season. He's raised his game again this season and is not only staking a claim for No. 1 driver in McLaren, but also for one of the Mercedes seats in the future IMHO.

Thinking logically, Norris would make a better teammate to Hamilton than Russell when competing against the current Red Bull pairing. One fast No. 1 driver with a consistent scoring teammate. Norris to Merc and Russell to McLaren until Hamilton steps away leaving a Norris / Russell pairing at Mercedes scratchchin
If Norris is the consistent guy and Russell is the fast champion elect, then IMO they'd be better pairing Russell with Hamilton, so he can compete with the best, learn from that, and prepare to lead the team into the future when Hamilton retires, and then bring Norris in to be the consistent other driver.

Russell would learn a lot from Hamilton, not by tooling around in his wheeltracks, but by trying to beat him to a championship. Assuming we aren't already 8 races in to a 5 year stretch of Max Bull dominance.

Deesee

8,418 posts

83 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Heres Lando's 6 overtakes in 6 laps, he then passed Dani, then Stroll..

https://streamable.com/ih33wr

sparta6

3,694 posts

100 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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kiseca said:
If Norris is the consistent guy and Russell is the fast champion elect, then IMO they'd be better pairing Russell with Hamilton, so he can compete with the best, learn from that, and prepare to lead the team into the future when Hamilton retires, and then bring Norris in to be the consistent other driver.

Russell would learn a lot from Hamilton, not by tooling around in his wheeltracks, but by trying to beat him to a championship. Assuming we aren't already 8 races in to a 5 year stretch of Max Bull dominance.
Fingers crossed that Hamilton keeps going for a few more years.
Will be fascinating to see if he can bag a Monaco pole at 43.

Monaco quali remains the ultimate F1 driver challenge IMHO


Deesee

8,418 posts

83 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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kiseca said:
If Norris is the consistent guy and Russell is the fast champion elect, then IMO they'd be better pairing Russell with Hamilton, so he can compete with the best, learn from that, and prepare to lead the team into the future when Hamilton retires, and then bring Norris in to be the consistent other driver.

Russell would learn a lot from Hamilton, not by tooling around in his wheeltracks, but by trying to beat him to a championship. Assuming we aren't already 8 races in to a 5 year stretch of Max Bull dominance.
Lando is quicker...

paulguitar

23,367 posts

113 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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sparta6 said:
Fingers crossed that Hamilton keeps going for a few more years.
Will be fascinating to see if he can bag a Monaco pole at 43.

Monaco quali remains the ultimate F1 driver challenge IMHO
I doubt he'll still be racing then, but I think whether or not Hamilton gets a Monaco pole at 43 will make not a jot of difference to his career. It's rather more relevant that he's never pulled off a stunt like parking at Rascasse. wink

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
kiseca said:
If Norris is the consistent guy and Russell is the fast champion elect, then IMO they'd be better pairing Russell with Hamilton, so he can compete with the best, learn from that, and prepare to lead the team into the future when Hamilton retires, and then bring Norris in to be the consistent other driver.

Russell would learn a lot from Hamilton, not by tooling around in his wheeltracks, but by trying to beat him to a championship. Assuming we aren't already 8 races in to a 5 year stretch of Max Bull dominance.
Lando is quicker...
I don't agree, though I think he's getting much better experience in Formula 1 than Russell is and may well turn the tables. However, it doesn't matter either way. I was going on The Surveyor's premise that if they paired up Lewis would be the fast driver and Lando would be the consistent one. If that's true, I'd go with Russell and Lewis. However, if it were true that Lando was the faster of the two, my argument would be the same reasoning but I'd go with Lando and Lewis.



sparta6

3,694 posts

100 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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paulguitar said:
sparta6 said:
Fingers crossed that Hamilton keeps going for a few more years.
Will be fascinating to see if he can bag a Monaco pole at 43.

Monaco quali remains the ultimate F1 driver challenge IMHO
I doubt he'll still be racing then, but I think whether or not Hamilton gets a Monaco pole at 43 will make not a jot of difference to his career. It's rather more relevant that he's never pulled off a stunt like parking at Rascasse. wink
You old romantic hehe

IIRC Clark and Senna are the guvnors of Monaco quali

honda_exige

6,020 posts

206 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
Lando is quicker...
You mean *you think* that Lando is quicker.

You have absolutely no way of knowing.

In fact, history would suggest that Russell is quicker given he beat Lando in the Junior series

Deesee

8,418 posts

83 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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kiseca said:
I don't agree, though I think he's getting much better experience in Formula 1 than Russell is and may well turn the tables. However, it doesn't matter either way. I was going on The Surveyor's premise that if they paired up Lewis would be the fast driver and Lando would be the consistent one. If that's true, I'd go with Russell and Lewis. However, if it were true that Lando was the faster of the two, my argument would be the same reasoning but I'd go with Lando and Lewis.
Lando had a bit of a rare deal in f2 and should have won the championship..

He’s just as quick as Charl, and Max over one lap.. and they are the quickest.

Not quite Lewis consistency over the GP, yet.. but would would have been.

I have my concerns with Russell over a GP distance, he’s struggling to match Latifis long race lap pace TBF..

Personally I think Lewis will retire this year.

The scramble will be interesting..






Deesee

8,418 posts

83 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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honda_exige said:
Deesee said:
Lando is quicker...
You mean *you think* that Lando is quicker.

You have absolutely no way of knowing.

In fact, history would suggest that Russell is quicker given he beat Lando in the Junior series
He’s quicker..

& junior series Russell’s team mates out scored Landos team mates by some way indicating a better car/team.. Landos team it was there first season in F2.

Anyway, it’s not as if Lando had had years of Mercedes experience and Pirelli tyre tests, or anything like that eh? Or 3 yrs in the Merc Sim?

I suppose wiki shows Russell winning..



DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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honda_exige said:
You mean *you think* that Lando is quicker.

You have absolutely no way of knowing.

In fact, history would suggest that Russell is quicker given he beat Lando in the Junior series
Quicker in junior series doesn't always equal quickest in F1, Hulk being a prime example of that.

kiseca

9,339 posts

219 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
honda_exige said:
Deesee said:
Lando is quicker...
You mean *you think* that Lando is quicker.

You have absolutely no way of knowing.

In fact, history would suggest that Russell is quicker given he beat Lando in the Junior series
He’s quicker..

& junior series Russell’s team mates out scored Landos team mates by some way indicating a better car/team.. Landos team it was there first season in F2.

Anyway, it’s not as if Lando had had years of Mercedes experience and Pirelli tyre tests, or anything like that eh? Or 3 yrs in the Merc Sim?

I suppose wiki shows Russell winning..
Is that why he had no trouble outperforming Sainz? He's looking good so far this year but it's his third season in F1.

And what are you saying about the tyre tests and work in the sim? Are they reasons why Lando is faster than Russell? Or are you actually agreeing that Russell is faster than Lando but saying it's because of experience so doesn't count?

In terms of opportunity I'd say Lando has had three seasons in a reasonably competitive car fighting for points while George has had three seasons at the back of the pack with noone to race but the safety car.

SturdyHSV

10,094 posts

167 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
Personally I think Lewis will retire this year.

The scramble will be interesting..
This is obviously jumping the gun a bit based on 7 races, but if Hamilton retires (say with a WDC but no WCC for Merc) and Georgey boy gets the seat at just the moment Mercedes fall from their position at the top, it would be quite the kick in the balls hehe

Wouldn't do Lewis' reputation any harm though.

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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SturdyHSV said:
Deesee said:
Personally I think Lewis will retire this year.

The scramble will be interesting..
This is obviously jumping the gun a bit based on 7 races, but if Hamilton retires (say with a WDC but no WCC for Merc) and Georgey boy gets the seat at just the moment Mercedes fall from their position at the top, it would be quite the kick in the balls hehe

Wouldn't do Lewis' reputation any harm though.
On a basis of nothing but guesswork, I think if wins the title this year he'll retire on 8. If he doesn't he'll stay for another year to have another crack at getting 8.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
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Personally I think Lewis will retire this year.

The scramble will be interesting..
Same here, he seemed so serene after the French GP. I remember years ago he said he was annoyed that Rosberg retired as he couldn't "win back the championship" and that he didn't want to do that. So I wonder if he has now accepted Max will win this year and therefore he can retire having passed on the torch.

RB Will

9,663 posts

240 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Flooble said:
Ironic if that was it, considering you are supposed to be "rewarded" for being the champions by having the "best" box. Maybe Lewis is just getting old and had to stop and ask for directions. No wait, that was Kimi the other year ...
Never mind Kimi, Lewis has previous for this doesnt he? Wasnt it his first year with Merc he puled up into McLarens pit box?

Deesee

8,418 posts

83 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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As above posters..

Lewis will win the championship this year.. he will still retire..

The opportunity and opponent does not matter they are always that guy..

ch37

10,642 posts

221 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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Deesee said:
I have my concerns with Russell over a GP distance, he’s struggling to match Latifis long race lap pace TBF..
Excluding retirements (two a piece) he has finished a total of 12 places higher than Latifi so far this season. He finished 16 seconds (and 6 places) up the road from his teammate yesterday in the first race I can remember for a long time where it was a completely level playing field (no yellow flags, no retirements, and that was despite dropping behind him from the start.

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Monday 21st June 2021
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RB Will said:
Flooble said:
Ironic if that was it, considering you are supposed to be "rewarded" for being the champions by having the "best" box. Maybe Lewis is just getting old and had to stop and ask for directions. No wait, that was Kimi the other year ...
Never mind Kimi, Lewis has previous for this doesnt he? Wasnt it his first year with Merc he puled up into McLarens pit box?
He did, but I will never forget this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkKli_aWi2g