Michael Masi should be replaced

[Sandpit Steve]

mw88 said:

entropy said:

Don't know why this is such a fuss. No difference to asking a driver to give the place back else the stewards deal with it.

It's just we never heard it before.

Liberty/FoM will cherry pick messages to either add to the drama or provoke a reaction, hence why we don't really hear much other than Red Bull/Mercedes. All the other teams will be moaning to Masi.

The same would have happened with Charlie, but because they weren't being broadcast no one knew!

Yes, a lot of it is down to more messages being broadcast than previously, and of course those messages being cherry-picked by the FOM media team rather than the FIA.

The reality is there’s an almost constant chatter in Masi’s ear during the race, with all of the team managers, safety and medical car, the Clerk of the Course, and the stewards, all competing for his attention.

The passing-off-the-track incident being immediately followed by a red flag was an unusual, possibly even unprecedented sequence of events, so we got the conversations during a period of race stoppage.

One does get the feeling that he likes the sound of his own voice a little too much though. He’d be better off using fewer words, and would definitely be better off leaving ‘give the place back’ decisions to the teams themselves. I’d also replace the five second penalty with the ‘long lap’, as seen in the bikes.

[craigjm]

What he describes that sounds perfectly legitimate to me. Maybe we should just go back to not broadcasting the process. Sometimes too much information as a spectator is not a good thing. I guess that’s why they don’t mic up football referees like they do in rugby.

Edited by craigjm on Monday 6th December 17:07

[Muzzer79]

HardtopManual said:

Negotiating a penalty with a team and asking if it's acceptable is just a ludicrous state of affairs, I'm embarrassed for the sport. I think I'd get rid of that radio channel if I was Liberty.

This was my initial reaction, but I think his phrasing was just poor and, obviously, it wasn't initially clear as to what the order of the top three on the grid would be for the first re-start.

He didn't actually negotiate or offer to negotiate. He offered Red Bull a punishment there and then. If they'd have said no, he'd have referred it to the Stewards, where the punishment may be worse. RB knew this.

The fact that Ocon got ahead of Hamilton during the incident in question complicated the issue, otherwise I think it would just have gone straight to the stewards. As it was, a common sense solution was required whereby Max got put behind Hamilton and Ocon didn't lose out. This was achieved.

It's a pretty thankless job, like all referees. I don't think the pitwall-to-FIA radio being broadcast helps him.

[ChocolateFrog]

F-

Shouldn't be allowed near another F1 race.

[Murghee]

What i dont understand is that why are the stewards not involved straight away. Why does one man decide what should happen before the stewards get involved.

And that one man even then gives options to the teams..i mean imagine if a referee in football in the 90th min said to the opposing team well i can give the other team a penalty kick or they can have a free kick and your player gets a red..you decide

Seriously how can anyone trust that formula 1 is not fairly monitored when one man has all the power

Dude should resign and get someone who is no nonsense for the new season

[craigjm]

Murghee said:

What i dont understand is that why are the stewards not involved straight away. Why does one man decide what should happen before the stewards get involved.

Seriously how can anyone trust that formula 1 is not fairly monitored when one man has all the power

Dude should resign and get someone who is no nonsense for the new season

None of that is his fault though is it. Blame the system not the person. If the procedures aren’t rewritten then the same thing happens regardless of who is in the chair

[carl_w]

https://racer.com/2021/12/06/masi-explains-red-bul...

[Muzzer79]

Murghee said:

What i dont understand is that why are the stewards not involved straight away. Why does one man decide what should happen before the stewards get involved.

And that one man even then gives options to the teams..i mean imagine if a referee in football in the 90th min said to the opposing team well i can give the other team a penalty kick or they can have a free kick and your player gets a red..you decide

Seriously how can anyone trust that formula 1 is not fairly monitored when one man has all the power

Dude should resign and get someone who is no nonsense for the new season

Again, this was not a negotiation. This was a common sense approach to fairly sort the problem (which was complicated by Ocon being in the middle of LH and MV) without needing to involve the stewards.

If you get caught speeding, the Police will sometimes make an offer for you to take a speed awareness course, rather than points.
Sometimes, they offer points rather than appearing in court.

This doesn’t mean the Police are negotiating your punishment. It means they are dealing with the incident quickly and efficiently whilst ensuring you are punished appropriately. If you think you are innocent, you can go to court.

Same principle with Masi. Take ‘the points’ now with a grid drop or ‘go to court’ (the stewards) if you dare.

[craigjm]

Muzzer79 said:

Murghee said:

What i dont understand is that why are the stewards not involved straight away. Why does one man decide what should happen before the stewards get involved.

And that one man even then gives options to the teams..i mean imagine if a referee in football in the 90th min said to the opposing team well i can give the other team a penalty kick or they can have a free kick and your player gets a red..you decide

Seriously how can anyone trust that formula 1 is not fairly monitored when one man has all the power

Dude should resign and get someone who is no nonsense for the new season

Again, this was not a negotiation. This was a common sense approach to fairly sort the problem (which was complicated by Ocon being in the middle of LH and MV) without needing to involve the stewards.

If you get caught speeding, the Police will sometimes make an offer for you to take a speed awareness course, rather than points.
Sometimes, they offer points rather than appearing in court.

This doesn’t mean the Police are negotiating your punishment. It means they are dealing with the incident quickly and efficiently whilst ensuring you are punished appropriately. If you think you are innocent, you can go to court.

Same principle with Masi. Take ‘the points’ now with a grid drop or ‘go to court’ (the stewards) if you dare.

Exactly. Great analogy

[HustleRussell]

It didn't sound good but there wasn't a lot wrong with the outcomes on this occasion.

Masi needs to work on the language and tone he uses. He needs to be able to close his channels until a decision has been made in the office, and then dictate the outcome.

[RicksAlfas]

dibbers006 said:

But does he have to do it in such a snivelling wetbag voice.

He is dealing with snivelling wetbags though!

I don't think anyone comes across well on those radio transmissions.

[PhilAsia]

The grid drop "you can accept this or go to a steward decision" conversation was perfectly acceptable, even if it came across unclearly IMO.

The "I've got so many buttons" conversation was not.

[F1GTRUeno]

Well…

[shirt]

It be onto this

[Murph7355]

The chap's an embarrassment.

[Tyre Smoke]

Don't why you're getting all worked up about Masi, he hasn't consistently applied the rules all season.

[Teddy Lop]

Tyre Smoke said:

Don't why you're getting all worked up about Masi, he hasn't consistently applied the rules all season.

He's not until now invented new procedures on the fly though. Last time we saw that was what, spa '08?

[Jenny Tailor]

I don't know the F1 Rulebook.


As per the commentators comments the last minute or two does seem to be made up on the spot.

While they have a TV show to sell.
Does seem odd. Almost WWE like.

[williamp]

Tyre Smoke said:

Don't why you're getting all worked up about Masi, he hasn't consistently applied the rules all season.

Yes but he made the last rule up to let some cars passed ,but not all of them. How much will this affect the constructors points??

[craigjm]

Jenny Tailor said:

Almost WWE like.

The American owners obviously wanted to make it a spectacle.