Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
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MustangGT said:
RacerMike said:
Even Hamilton was 0.5 off Russell at Azerbaijan!
What relevance is this statement given we are talking about a gap of over 1 second?FourWheelDrift said:
Check out the 2023 free practice 1 results. Drugovich was 2nd quickest in not the 2nd quickest car and almost a second faster the the two Red Bulls. Also faster than Stroll.
https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
Unfortunately being fast isn't the no.1 pre requisite to getting into F1 https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
Yazza54 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Check out the 2023 free practice 1 results. Drugovich was 2nd quickest in not the 2nd quickest car and almost a second faster the the two Red Bulls. Also faster than Stroll.
https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
Unfortunately being fast isn't the no.1 pre requisite to getting into F1 https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
RacerMike said:
MustangGT said:
RacerMike said:
Even Hamilton was 0.5 off Russell at Azerbaijan!
What relevance is this statement given we are talking about a gap of over 1 second?RacerMike said:
What relevance has it got? The relevance is that one of the fastest guys in F1 who’s won 7 championships ever is half a second off his teammate so Jamie being a second off one of the best drivers in F2 who would clearly be as quick or quicker than Russel is clearly ‘fast enough’.
There's a lot of speculation in your post, but the bit in bold is the biggest I suppose. What on earth makes you think that??MustangGT said:
RacerMike said:
MustangGT said:
RacerMike said:
Even Hamilton was 0.5 off Russell at Azerbaijan!
What relevance is this statement given we are talking about a gap of over 1 second?I edited my post to correct some grammatical stuff but didn't do a very good job of it. The point I'm making is that being 1s off someone who's highly experienced in fast single seaters in the same car is categorically [u]not[/u] 'proof' that someone is not capable of racing said car.
The normal variance race to race/track to track between teammates (and even teamates who are considered to be one of the greatest drivers a series has ever seen) is significant. 0.5s in F1 is huge and nobody sane is saying Lewis is a slow driver.
Lance is in F1 and is consistently a second off Alonso. Another driver who you'd group in the Hamilton category. So Jamie being 1s off Drugovich in her first Indycar test is very much within the range of being capable of being competitive is fast single seaters (lest we forgot that Lance actually manage to nearly win a race in 2020...).
I don't think anyone here is saying Jamie is the next Max Verstappen. However she is more than capable of competing in F1 and at a level that is easily at the level of many of the other drivers on the grid. As above.....being the fastest driver is and never has been the most important attribute in F1 and I don't believe it actually should be. F1 is an entertainment sport. It needs variation and interest as well as being a place for some genuinely top of their game fast drivers to battle for championships.
RacerMike said:
Yazza54 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Check out the 2023 free practice 1 results. Drugovich was 2nd quickest in not the 2nd quickest car and almost a second faster the the two Red Bulls. Also faster than Stroll.
https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
Unfortunately being fast isn't the no.1 pre requisite to getting into F1 https://www.formula1.com/en/results/2023/races/122...
Drugovich is quick and should be in F1.
RacerMike said:
Eh? I described Lewis as one of the fastest guys in F1. Stop trying to look for an argument when there isn't one here.
I edited my post to correct some grammatical stuff but didn't do a very good job of it. The point I'm making is that being 1s off someone who's highly experienced in fast single seaters in the same car is categorically [u]not[/u] 'proof' that someone is not capable of racing said car.
The normal variance race to race/track to track between teammates (and even teamates who are considered to be one of the greatest drivers a series has ever seen) is significant. 0.5s in F1 is huge and nobody sane is saying Lewis is a slow driver.
Lance is in F1 and is consistently a second off Alonso. Another driver who you'd group in the Hamilton category. So Jamie being 1s off Drugovich in her first Indycar test is very much within the range of being capable of being competitive is fast single seaters (lest we forgot that Lance actually manage to nearly win a race in 2020...).
I don't think anyone here is saying Jamie is the next Max Verstappen. However she is more than capable of competing in F1 and at a level that is easily at the level of many of the other drivers on the grid. As above.....being the fastest driver is and never has been the most important attribute in F1 and I don't believe it actually should be. F1 is an entertainment sport. It needs variation and interest as well as being a place for some genuinely top of their game fast drivers to battle for championships.
Okay, noted, I took it out of context.I edited my post to correct some grammatical stuff but didn't do a very good job of it. The point I'm making is that being 1s off someone who's highly experienced in fast single seaters in the same car is categorically [u]not[/u] 'proof' that someone is not capable of racing said car.
The normal variance race to race/track to track between teammates (and even teamates who are considered to be one of the greatest drivers a series has ever seen) is significant. 0.5s in F1 is huge and nobody sane is saying Lewis is a slow driver.
Lance is in F1 and is consistently a second off Alonso. Another driver who you'd group in the Hamilton category. So Jamie being 1s off Drugovich in her first Indycar test is very much within the range of being capable of being competitive is fast single seaters (lest we forgot that Lance actually manage to nearly win a race in 2020...).
I don't think anyone here is saying Jamie is the next Max Verstappen. However she is more than capable of competing in F1 and at a level that is easily at the level of many of the other drivers on the grid. As above.....being the fastest driver is and never has been the most important attribute in F1 and I don't believe it actually should be. F1 is an entertainment sport. It needs variation and interest as well as being a place for some genuinely top of their game fast drivers to battle for championships.
Regarding Jamie, I think you will struggle to find many people agreeing that she is anywhere near the level of F1 driver. She is certainly showing she has what it takes in the USA, and she appears to be finding her level.
732NM said:
RacerMike said:
I don't think anyone here is saying Jamie is the next Max Verstappen. However she is more than capable of competing in F1 and at a level that is easily at the level of many of the other drivers on the grid.
She very clearly isn't. She'd be dripping in high value sponsorship and teams would be squabbling over he if she were believed to be capable of driving in F1, even at the back. Everyone wants a female driver in the sport, if they could find one that is up to scratch.
RacerMike said:
being the fastest driver is and never has been the most important attribute in F1 and I don't believe it actually should be. F1 is an entertainment sport. It needs variation and interest as well as being a place for some genuinely top of their game fast drivers to battle for championships.
F1 is about the pinnacle of motorsport - the best of the best, in all areas.It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
Muzzer79 said:
F1 is about the pinnacle of motorsport - the best of the best, in all areas.
It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
Despite agreeing with you on the principle of what it should be, it just isn't that and never has been.It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
It's always had bent regulators, conflicts of interest, money driven decisions, performances and inconsistency. It's about as far from a true sport as you can get.
Forester1965 said:
Muzzer79 said:
F1 is about the pinnacle of motorsport - the best of the best, in all areas.
It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
Despite agreeing with you on the principle of what it should be, it just isn't that and never has been.It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
It's always had bent regulators, conflicts of interest, money driven decisions, performances and inconsistency. It's about as far from a true sport as you can get.
But the female driver still has to be good enough to not be a complete embarrassment and be obviously out of her depth. Much I wish it were otherwise, the sport has yet to uncover such a female.
TheDeuce said:
Forester1965 said:
Muzzer79 said:
F1 is about the pinnacle of motorsport - the best of the best, in all areas.
It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
Despite agreeing with you on the principle of what it should be, it just isn't that and never has been.It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
It's always had bent regulators, conflicts of interest, money driven decisions, performances and inconsistency. It's about as far from a true sport as you can get.
But the female driver still has to be good enough to not be a complete embarrassment and be obviously out of her depth. Much I wish it were otherwise, the sport has yet to uncover such a female.
Coincidentally, did you see that Abbie Eaton polled, got a second and then won Porsche Carrera Cup at Silverstone the other weekend on merit?
RacerMike said:
TheDeuce said:
Forester1965 said:
Muzzer79 said:
F1 is about the pinnacle of motorsport - the best of the best, in all areas.
It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
Despite agreeing with you on the principle of what it should be, it just isn't that and never has been.It should be a meritocracy through and through.
That it isn’t is a by-product of it having become a business, not a fact to be lauded.
It's always had bent regulators, conflicts of interest, money driven decisions, performances and inconsistency. It's about as far from a true sport as you can get.
But the female driver still has to be good enough to not be a complete embarrassment and be obviously out of her depth. Much I wish it were otherwise, the sport has yet to uncover such a female.
Coincidentally, did you see that Abbie Eaton polled, got a second and then won Porsche Carrera Cup at Silverstone the other weekend on merit?
A lot of these series are just full of money men that have paid their way to get there. I know that's "the way" in Motorsport these days, but it's difficult to know the skill level in the pool of drivers.
Yazza54 said:
The problem is, do we know the standard of the drivers she's up against?
A lot of these series are just full of money men that have paid their way to get there. I know that's "the way" in Motorsport these days, but it's difficult to know the skill level in the pool of drivers.
Motorsport is very expensive, and every single series is full of people who have paid for a drive. At least with F1 we now have the super licence, so even the Mazepins have to have spent the money on testing and coaching, as well as getting results in junior series. A lot of these series are just full of money men that have paid their way to get there. I know that's "the way" in Motorsport these days, but it's difficult to know the skill level in the pool of drivers.
If Jamie gets an Indycar drive I suspect she’ll do better than Danica Patrick, who was the last woman to race full time in that series and is probably the most well-known living female circuit racer.
Sandpit Steve said:
Yazza54 said:
The problem is, do we know the standard of the drivers she's up against?
A lot of these series are just full of money men that have paid their way to get there. I know that's "the way" in Motorsport these days, but it's difficult to know the skill level in the pool of drivers.
Motorsport is very expensive, and every single series is full of people who have paid for a drive. At least with F1 we now have the super licence, so even the Mazepins have to have spent the money on testing and coaching, as well as getting results in junior series. A lot of these series are just full of money men that have paid their way to get there. I know that's "the way" in Motorsport these days, but it's difficult to know the skill level in the pool of drivers.
If Jamie gets an Indycar drive I suspect she’ll do better than Danica Patrick, who was the last woman to race full time in that series and is probably the most well-known living female circuit racer.
Yazza54 said:
I know all of the above, but I was talking about Abbie in the Carrera cup. This sort of level of Motorsport is easily accessible to any driver with enough cash that wants to play pretend pro racer.
She's up against pro racers. Take a look at the profiles;https://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/por...
Forester1965 said:
Yazza54 said:
I know all of the above, but I was talking about Abbie in the Carrera cup. This sort of level of Motorsport is easily accessible to any driver with enough cash that wants to play pretend pro racer.
She's up against pro racers. Take a look at the profiles;https://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/por...
I'm not being difficult on purpose, I just find it very tricky to measure
Abbie has raced in a number of domestic championships and not really set the world alight so it's still quite baffling to me how her career skyrocketed from where it was to now.
I can't help but think that a bloke with her talent or more wouldn't have gotten the same opportunities. The grand tour being the main one, made her a household name overnight.
Edited by Yazza54 on Friday 4th October 07:27
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