Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?

[trackdemon]

White-Noise said:

ContactName said:

White-Noise said:

ContactName said:

But you’re contradicting yourself by saying everyone should be given an equal opportunity but the playing field will not be level.

Which is it? They’re mutually exclusive aren’t they?

I'm not contradicting myself. I'm saying everyone should be given an equal opportunity, but in reality that won't ever be possible. That isn't a contradiction, I'm saying what should ideally happen but unfortunately we won't ever be able to achieve that, not that we should not strive for it.

If you supported these programmes but also advocate for equal opportunity then that is a true contradiction because you're trying to solve discrimination with discrimination.

With respect, I disagree.

You're saying you will strive to deliver something you accept you cannot achieve, that's both defeatist as well as (with respect) deceitful really. It's like saying you intend to finish your homework when you know full well you're going to be staying up late playing Warhammer or something.

I'm saying I openly accept some discrimination to counter a much bigger and more deep-seated problem with historic roots. That's being open about the problem, and the solutions.

Just because you're writing with respect, doesn't mean you're being respectful, it usually infers the opposite and i feel that from you.

Just because you disagree with someone I don't think it's OK to start accusing me of being deceitful and acting malignant towards me. If I am stating something up front I cannot see how you're concluding that that is deceitful when it is the opposite.

I'm not living in a land where everyone will always get equal opportunities. If as a child my dad has contacts that get me a foot in the door somewhere and your dad doesn't then that isn't an equal opportunity is it. Will those kinds of things continue to happen, of course they will. I wouldn't call that defeatist... someone living in a different country or born a different year has different opportunities to someone else. How can opportunities ever be equal.

I also don't see how one can strive to overcome discrimination and openly state you're OK with a different discrimination.

Sadly I think you're wasting your time with this new poster and their hobby horse. I've mentioned several times that they were taking things off topic but it's been ignored. They seem to think that 2 wrongs make a right. Like most trolls, probably the best thing is to ignore and they'll go away when they're not getting the responses they've come for any more....

[White-Noise]

trackdemon said:

White-Noise said:

ContactName said:

White-Noise said:

ContactName said:

But you’re contradicting yourself by saying everyone should be given an equal opportunity but the playing field will not be level.

Which is it? They’re mutually exclusive aren’t they?

I'm not contradicting myself. I'm saying everyone should be given an equal opportunity, but in reality that won't ever be possible. That isn't a contradiction, I'm saying what should ideally happen but unfortunately we won't ever be able to achieve that, not that we should not strive for it.

If you supported these programmes but also advocate for equal opportunity then that is a true contradiction because you're trying to solve discrimination with discrimination.

With respect, I disagree.

You're saying you will strive to deliver something you accept you cannot achieve, that's both defeatist as well as (with respect) deceitful really. It's like saying you intend to finish your homework when you know full well you're going to be staying up late playing Warhammer or something.

I'm saying I openly accept some discrimination to counter a much bigger and more deep-seated problem with historic roots. That's being open about the problem, and the solutions.

Just because you're writing with respect, doesn't mean you're being respectful, it usually infers the opposite and i feel that from you.

Just because you disagree with someone I don't think it's OK to start accusing me of being deceitful and acting malignant towards me. If I am stating something up front I cannot see how you're concluding that that is deceitful when it is the opposite.

I'm not living in a land where everyone will always get equal opportunities. If as a child my dad has contacts that get me a foot in the door somewhere and your dad doesn't then that isn't an equal opportunity is it. Will those kinds of things continue to happen, of course they will. I wouldn't call that defeatist... someone living in a different country or born a different year has different opportunities to someone else. How can opportunities ever be equal.

I also don't see how one can strive to overcome discrimination and openly state you're OK with a different discrimination.

Sadly I think you're wasting your time with this new poster and their hobby horse. I've mentioned several times that they were taking things off topic but it's been ignored. They seem to think that 2 wrongs make a right. Like most trolls, probably the best thing is to ignore and they'll go away when they're not getting the responses they've come for any more....

Thanks, I was getting to the same conclusion.

[ContactName]

Me too, this place is so old fashioned sometimes!

[GlobalRacer]

I can see what he is getting at and it's a point of view I agree with in some contexts.

Say that for 50 years 10 teams out of 20 in a sports series were given double the money by the sports organisers. People quite rightly would say that was discrimination and call for all 20 teams to get the same amount of money. That won't solve the problem immediately though as those 10 teams on a lower income have got 50 years of investment to catch up on which they can't do with the same amount of money. Therefore they have to be given more money for a period of time to allow the playing field to be truly level. That is positive discrimination to get back to a balance caused by negative discrimination.

[trackdemon]

GlobalRacer said:

I can see what he is getting at and it's a point of view I agree with in some contexts.

Say that for 50 years 10 teams out of 20 in a sports series were given double the money by the sports organisers. People quite rightly would say that was discrimination and call for all 20 teams to get the same amount of money. That won't solve the problem immediately though as those 10 teams on a lower income have got 50 years of investment to catch up on which they can't do with the same amount of money. Therefore they have to be given more money for a period of time to allow the playing field to be truly level. That is positive discrimination to get back to a balance caused by negative discrimination.

Word soup.

[ContactName]

trackdemon said:

GlobalRacer said:

I can see what he is getting at and it's a point of view I agree with in some contexts.

Say that for 50 years 10 teams out of 20 in a sports series were given double the money by the sports organisers. People quite rightly would say that was discrimination and call for all 20 teams to get the same amount of money. That won't solve the problem immediately though as those 10 teams on a lower income have got 50 years of investment to catch up on which they can't do with the same amount of money. Therefore they have to be given more money for a period of time to allow the playing field to be truly level. That is positive discrimination to get back to a balance caused by negative discrimination.

Word soup.

Is it the nouns or the verbs that you are struggling with?

[ZX10R NIN]

Slightly off topic but why is there a separate e series championship for women?
Surely if there's one place you can have parity & the person with the most skill shines it has to be e sports?

Or am I missing something.

[FourWheelDrift]

Extreme E is all 1 man/1 woman teams.

[ZX10R NIN]

e sports womens champiobship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqKAb6Fbfs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4VvSBtdbzE

[Paul Thorpe evo]

Had the playing field been equal Divina Galica would have been too. She was an amazing athlete and captained British skiing team and then entered Formula 1 - like many others incl my great friend Richard Westbrook (who had his Benetton drive taken away by Yarno Trulli's financial backers huge cheque - Flavio you're a disgrace !), motor racing is not like football its about the 3 M's, money and money .... and oh yes money!

[andyA700]

ZX10R NIN said:

Slightly off topic but why is there a separate e series championship for women?
Surely if there's one place you can have parity & the person with the most skill shines it has to be e sports?

Or am I missing something.

No, I totally agree with you, you are not missing anything.
If women drivers wish to progress, then let them take the F3, F2 route the same as the men.
It really is that simple.

[Dal3D]

Chadwick switches to ELMS with LMP2 seat for 2025
Chadwick to make prototype racing debut with 2025 European Le Mans Series entry fielded by IDEC Sport

Jamie Chadwick will return to sportscar racing in 2025 after signing a deal with the IDEC Sport LMP2 team in the European Le Mans Series.

The three-time W Series champion was announced as part of a 44-car ELMS grid on Tuesday at the French squad that won the ELMS title in 2019 with Paul-Loup Chatin, Memo Rojas and Paul Lafargue.

Chadwick has spent the past two seasons racing in Indy NXT for Andretti Global, taking a breakthrough win at Road America and finishing seventh in the standings.

The 26-year-old had her first IndyCar test at Barber Motorsport Park in September and told Autosport that progression to the top tier of US open-wheel racing was a “realistic possibility”, but will now embark on a first full season in sportscars since 2015.

That year she teamed up with Ross Gunn aboard a Beechdean Aston Martin Vantage to claim the GT4 title in British GT.

Chadwick previously tested LMP2 machinery for the Richard Mille Racing Team in 2021, when she completed 26 laps in the World Endurance Championship's post-season rookie test in Bahrain.


https://www.autosport.com/elms/news/chadwick-switc...

[bergclimber34]

Very interesting career shift for Jamie, maybe the test did not go as planned, and she has decided her best bet for a longer professional career is sports cars.

I still think she is the most promising female race driver, but she was very up and down this year, more consistent at the end of the year but certainly not pace to warrant a drive in Indycar on pace alone, she no doubt could ave got one using her profile but I get the feeling that is not enough for her just yet, she wants to know she is good enough OI hope.

Interestingly she also in the season let it slip that she struggled physically with stuff like steering in the NXT cars. SO maybe sports cars though tough on the body overall in the heat etc, might be easier on the arms!!

[df76]

bergclimber34 said:

Very interesting career shift for Jamie, maybe the test did not go as planned, and she has decided her best bet for a longer professional career is sports cars.

I still think she is the most promising female race driver, but she was very up and down this year, more consistent at the end of the year but certainly not pace to warrant a drive in Indycar on pace alone, she no doubt could ave got one using her profile but I get the feeling that is not enough for her just yet, she wants to know she is good enough OI hope.

Interestingly she also in the season let it slip that she struggled physically with stuff like steering in the NXT cars. SO maybe sports cars though tough on the body overall in the heat etc, might be easier on the arms!!

She's a silver category driver (and you need one of those in LMP2), so if she's bringing any funds, then it's probably a good deal for everyone. Plus a positive for a Le Mans invite chance perhaps??

[thiscocks]

I dont see how it's a good move if she actually wants to get to Indycar though

[andrewcliffe]

If her aim is to get to Indycar, than switching to ELMS prototypes is certainly going to de-rail that ambition.

However, moving into ELMS and possibly then into WEC could possibly be a fulfilling career move.

[df76]

Indycar (and single seaters) is now surely a dead duck. However, IDEC are running the lmp2 car in ELMS and they will be involved in the Genesis hypercar project. So, there’s potential there..

[732NM]

Not that it needed any more proof, but her time in Indy NXT proved she wasn't good enough for the next level.

Sports cars can provide a decent career, but if she doesn't perform she will be binned off, there are hundreds waiting in the wings for a drive at that level.

[Mr Tidy]

andyA700 said:

ZX10R NIN said:

Slightly off topic but why is there a separate e series championship for women?
Surely if there's one place you can have parity & the person with the most skill shines it has to be e sports?

Or am I missing something.

No, I totally agree with you, you are not missing anything.
If women drivers wish to progress, then let them take the F3, F2 route the same as the men.
It really is that simple.

Proper equality - they won't like that idea!

But that's how it is in the real world of budgets and results.

[Leithen]

732NM said:

Not that it needed any more proof, but her time in Indy NXT proved she wasn't good enough for the next level.

Sports cars can provide a decent career, but if she doesn't perform she will be binned off, there are hundreds waiting in the wings for a drive at that level.

This year and her Indycar test proved exactly the opposite. What was shown was that she needed to be fitter and stronger.

The move to sports cars is the right thing to do. She needs to race. As much seat time as possible. As many racing miles as possible. She’s already shown that she is talented,. I hope she can make a long career out of that talent.