Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
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BunkMoreland said:
Roman Moroni said:
I didn't want to take the SA GP thread off topic.
I've just finished watching yesterdays qualifying on SKY. How refreshing was it to have the punditry by Jamie and Bernie Collins? They both come from a position of great knowledge unlike some of the others. It's a pity that they don't use her (JC) more often
She has got a full time drive, so its sort of understandable she cant be there every race.I've just finished watching yesterdays qualifying on SKY. How refreshing was it to have the punditry by Jamie and Bernie Collins? They both come from a position of great knowledge unlike some of the others. It's a pity that they don't use her (JC) more often
Bradgate said:
Jamie is currently doing a fantastic job as a pundit on Sky. She knows her stuff & has an excellent voice. I hope she has many more years of racing ahead of her, but when she hangs up her lid a successful media career will be hers if she wants it.
Yes, totally agree. Very, very good!Bright Halo said:
Bradgate said:
Jamie is currently doing a fantastic job as a pundit on Sky. She knows her stuff & has an excellent voice. I hope she has many more years of racing ahead of her, but when she hangs up her lid a successful media career will be hers if she wants it.
Yes, totally agree. Very, very good!Whether anyone here watches it or not, she also WON her class at the first round of ELMS in Barcelona a few weeks ago, she was the first to admit she was not fast enough, but she held her own, did not make any mistakes and kept the car in one piece to give to the faster drivers in the team.
She is a proper professional who is perhaps seeing other options now outside of single seaters and racing in general.
You can also see her in these cars at Silverstone this year, better racing for the money than any F1 race you will see all year
She is a proper professional who is perhaps seeing other options now outside of single seaters and racing in general.
You can also see her in these cars at Silverstone this year, better racing for the money than any F1 race you will see all year
Roman Moroni said:
I didn't want to take the SA GP thread off topic.
I've just finished watching yesterdays qualifying on SKY. How refreshing was it to have the punditry by Jamie and Bernie Collins? They both come from a position of great knowledge unlike some of the others. It's a pity that they don't use her (JC) more often
You mean unlike "one" of the others...I've just finished watching yesterdays qualifying on SKY. How refreshing was it to have the punditry by Jamie and Bernie Collins? They both come from a position of great knowledge unlike some of the others. It's a pity that they don't use her (JC) more often
But yes, agreed.
Bradgate said:
Jamie is currently doing a fantastic job as a pundit on Sky. She knows her stuff & has an excellent voice. I hope she has many more years of racing ahead of her, but when she hangs up her lid a successful media career will be hers if she wants it.
Agree, had no idea who she was until I went and looked online.Clearly supremely confident and knowledgeable.
maxhat said:
Bright Halo said:
Bradgate said:
Jamie is currently doing a fantastic job as a pundit on Sky. She knows her stuff & has an excellent voice. I hope she has many more years of racing ahead of her, but when she hangs up her lid a successful media career will be hers if she wants it.
Yes, totally agree. Very, very good!Smollet said:
maxhat said:
Bright Halo said:
Bradgate said:
Jamie is currently doing a fantastic job as a pundit on Sky. She knows her stuff & has an excellent voice. I hope she has many more years of racing ahead of her, but when she hangs up her lid a successful media career will be hers if she wants it.
Yes, totally agree. Very, very good!I like Jamie, she's a very good driver, she's a student of the sport, understands it and deserves to be there. Cannot say that for the majority of the current academy grid.
I have watched a few of the world WCR races recently which is a female only support race for world superbike, there's also a few women racing in some BSB support categories, and you know what, they're mostly decent.
The reason being is you cannot fake it til you make it on a bike, they haven't been inserted into a scene to create some sort of corporate value or do-goodery, not only is there not really the same level of publicity in those categories but fundamentally it wouldn't be possible to put people with F1 academy levels of talent in that sort of situation without them falling off every 5 minutes.
There actually seems to be more girls interested in racing bikes than there are in cars, which is interesting in itself given they are way more unsafe and difficult to master. I've gone off on a tangent here but essentially, 95% of them simply are not good enough to even have been given that opportunity, and 99% of them will never be good enough.
I rate Abbi pulling too but she's currently 12th in GB3 standings. So winning the academy got her there (as a prize) but what next? I suspect if it wasn't for the prize no one would have given her a drive off their own back because one decent girl beating a load of half decent to mediocre girls is, frankly, meaningless.
I have watched a few of the world WCR races recently which is a female only support race for world superbike, there's also a few women racing in some BSB support categories, and you know what, they're mostly decent.
The reason being is you cannot fake it til you make it on a bike, they haven't been inserted into a scene to create some sort of corporate value or do-goodery, not only is there not really the same level of publicity in those categories but fundamentally it wouldn't be possible to put people with F1 academy levels of talent in that sort of situation without them falling off every 5 minutes.
There actually seems to be more girls interested in racing bikes than there are in cars, which is interesting in itself given they are way more unsafe and difficult to master. I've gone off on a tangent here but essentially, 95% of them simply are not good enough to even have been given that opportunity, and 99% of them will never be good enough.
I rate Abbi pulling too but she's currently 12th in GB3 standings. So winning the academy got her there (as a prize) but what next? I suspect if it wasn't for the prize no one would have given her a drive off their own back because one decent girl beating a load of half decent to mediocre girls is, frankly, meaningless.
I have seen both Abby and Jamie now say that onc3 you get to F3 or F2 the cars become more physical to drive, men simply have more upper body and arm strength
Not sure if this is an excuse, but the fact two if the more prominent and proven female drivers are saying it means something
I am of the opinion that there will be a girl who will do whatever it takes, fitness etc to make it, as there is no reason driving, reactions, speed wise a girl can jot win on bikes or in cars, a girl will have the will in time to get fit enough, or maybe it is a too big bridge to cross
B3 fascinating to do a proper physical study into it
Not sure if this is an excuse, but the fact two if the more prominent and proven female drivers are saying it means something
I am of the opinion that there will be a girl who will do whatever it takes, fitness etc to make it, as there is no reason driving, reactions, speed wise a girl can jot win on bikes or in cars, a girl will have the will in time to get fit enough, or maybe it is a too big bridge to cross
B3 fascinating to do a proper physical study into it
bergclimber34 said:
I have seen both Abby and Jamie now say that onc3 you get to F3 or F2 the cars become more physical to drive, men simply have more upper body and arm strength
Not sure if this is an excuse, but the fact two if the more prominent and proven female drivers are saying it means something
I am of the opinion that there will be a girl who will do whatever it takes, fitness etc to make it, as there is no reason driving, reactions, speed wise a girl can jot win on bikes or in cars, a girl will have the will in time to get fit enough, or maybe it is a too big bridge to cross
B3 fascinating to do a proper physical study into it
Tatiana Calderon, the only lady to drive an F2 car, said it was very physical especially the steering. The new F2 car, introduced last year, specifically contained steering geometry changes aimed at reducing the load to attract more women. Not sure if this is an excuse, but the fact two if the more prominent and proven female drivers are saying it means something
I am of the opinion that there will be a girl who will do whatever it takes, fitness etc to make it, as there is no reason driving, reactions, speed wise a girl can jot win on bikes or in cars, a girl will have the will in time to get fit enough, or maybe it is a too big bridge to cross
B3 fascinating to do a proper physical study into it
The FIA F3 car, and the F1 cars, have power steering. Sophia Floersch drove FIA F3 for a couple of years and said it was okay so long as you’re fit. Half her social media showed her in the gym, so it’s probably achieveable with effort.
The last woman to drive an F1 car at an event (FP1 session) is still Susie Wolff, not even sure that Jamie has had a test in the Williams yet.
I do not think she has tested a recent F1 car which is a joke considering her supposed position, still I hope she gets some some value and cash out of it. She I think has realised that her future for now is Sports cars, they have aids in most cases and power steering, and are still tough to drive, a double stint in ELMS is damn near 2 hours, damn tough for any driver
She herself admitted the Indycar was too much, even the Indy NXT car at times.
Surely it could not be that hard to make these cars more usable, even just as an option?
She herself admitted the Indycar was too much, even the Indy NXT car at times.
Surely it could not be that hard to make these cars more usable, even just as an option?
She usually does the first stint, never the quickest, but she holds her own, makes no mistakes and stays in touch, all that is necessary in that class and in her first year.
If she moves up to Genesis, she might need to show more speed, but the basics are clearly there already, if you watched yesterday, the dentists were pathetic, even quick experienced guys like Hyett shoving their noses into stupid moves. She has not done that at all, shows great maturity.And Idec are a great team
If she moves up to Genesis, she might need to show more speed, but the basics are clearly there already, if you watched yesterday, the dentists were pathetic, even quick experienced guys like Hyett shoving their noses into stupid moves. She has not done that at all, shows great maturity.And Idec are a great team
bergclimber34 said:
She usually does the first stint, never the quickest, but she holds her own, makes no mistakes and stays in touch, all that is necessary in that class and in her first year.
If she moves up to Genesis, she might need to show more speed, but the basics are clearly there already, if you watched yesterday, the dentists were pathetic, even quick experienced guys like Hyett shoving their noses into stupid moves. She has not done that at all, shows great maturity.And Idec are a great team
I was going to say - she was in the car in the first stint. Wasn't the quickest, however did keep out of both of the red flag situations. I did feel for the 48 car which was going like a train and so relentless in terms of pace but then got caught out by the SC and the pitlane being closed, although I think the idec car got similarly penalised as well - due to having to splash and dash to to low fuel.If she moves up to Genesis, she might need to show more speed, but the basics are clearly there already, if you watched yesterday, the dentists were pathetic, even quick experienced guys like Hyett shoving their noses into stupid moves. She has not done that at all, shows great maturity.And Idec are a great team
Dumb, frothy question - but could excluding the minimum weight requirements for an F1 car if a woman was driving make a big enough difference?
Women are a decent amount lighter than blokes, and F1 cars have (I think) a minimum 800kg weight requirement including the kitted-out driver. Say an average athletic woman is around 20kg lighter than the average athletic guy, that weight saving ought to translate to at least half a second a lap advantage - all things being equal.
Would that be enough to even things out a bit without being objectively unfair?
Women are a decent amount lighter than blokes, and F1 cars have (I think) a minimum 800kg weight requirement including the kitted-out driver. Say an average athletic woman is around 20kg lighter than the average athletic guy, that weight saving ought to translate to at least half a second a lap advantage - all things being equal.
Would that be enough to even things out a bit without being objectively unfair?
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