Christian Horner

[Megaflow]

PhilAsia said:

Durzel said:

TheDeuce said:

Durzel said:

Says in the audible he “violated company’s policy”, ergo an explicit contract breach. I also mentioned previously about RBR’s involvement if there has been an equivalent breach in this instance.

It seems so far there hasn’t been, or it hasn’t been proven. In fact hasn’t it been explicitly disproven by an independent inquiry? (though if they rule that he has no case to answer then they’re compromised, so no answer there would really suffice).

I’m not a fan of Horner, and on the balance of probabilities I can well believe that he’s copped off with that PA. Not going to condemn someone on the strength of an unsubstantiated WhatsApp convo though, and therefore extrapolate hyperbolic pronouncements about the terrible scars it would leave on F1.

Edited by Durzel on Thursday 6th March 22:03

From the start of this until upto today, I don't think any of what is suspected (or basically obvious, for anyone that isn't dead slow) has any bearing on F1 itself or his capacity to run a team. He got his fingers stuck in his PA, that's the raw long and short of it! Not exactly anything to be proud of now it's out in the open but it's not a sporting matter or a case of him being declared a hopelessly evil individual imo. I prefer to think of it in terms of him being a colossal bellend. I thought he was a colossal bellend 10 years ago, all that has happened since is that he's confirmed my suspicions by proving he's a colossal bellend.

Obviously if the details become fully public and it turned out he put serious pressure on his PA to play ball, he could become untenable as a public figure in the sport, but even if that were true, he's valuable to the brand so that simply won't happen - it'll be dealt with.

We will never know the details here, all we can do is make up our own minds about how we feel about Horner - and honestly this whole episode hasn't changed my already very low opinion of him.

You articulated it a lot better than I was able to. 100% agree.

+1 too.

Additionally, I had very little interest in this story when it first became known and still don't really. As Deuce has stated, it just bolstered any previously acknowledged unsavoury character traits the weasel had.

+2. Sums it up nicely.

i know all TP's have a job to do in maximising the performance of their team by any means possibly within the rules, and very close to the edge of the rules. However CH spends so much time gaslighting the whole of F1 that he is the only TP that if he said it was daytime, I'd look out of a window to check.

[Tommo87]

Durzel said:

Dingu said:

deadslow said:

of which actions do you speak?

Are you his fluffer?

It does merit clarification though.

As far as the sport goes all he's really done is wind up Toto and co. None of this PA stuff is relevant or contaminative to the sport whatsoever.

Like him or loathe him, performance wise his record speaks for itself. RB were never going to get rid of him.

Fluff central…

[TheDeuce]

anonymous_user said:

TheDeuce said:

Her lawyers and Horny's lawyers will be sharing notes to work out what that payoff should be

Fiona Hewitson is from a wealthy family & i wouldn't be surprised if her legal fees are being paid from another party either- as i doubt switching to Goodwin Procter is cheap- so i wouldn't take as a gimme that she's going to settle

The money spent on good legal counsel doesn't suggest she will or won't settle - either way she'd need a team that can make a solid case for her complaint.

you have to construct a case which has a decent chance of being successful in order to get the best payout, or any payout at all.

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Isn't this a hearing at a employment tribunal though ? I can't help thinking this is a bargaining chip ie the publicity with be far more harmful than the potential payout and hoping for a large settlement and a signed NDA

[anonymous_user]

TheDeuce said:

The money spent on good legal counsel doesn't suggest she will or won't settle - either way she'd need a team that can make a solid case for her complaint.

you have to construct a case which has a decent chance of being successful in order to get the best payout, or any payout at all.

the wealthy (or people backed by the wealthy) don't need to settle, they don't even need to construct a decent case, as 'success' can mean different things to them ...that's the point

[TheDeuce]

anonymous_user said:

TheDeuce said:

The money spent on good legal counsel doesn't suggest she will or won't settle - either way she'd need a team that can make a solid case for her complaint.

you have to construct a case which has a decent chance of being successful in order to get the best payout, or any payout at all.

the wealthy (or people backed by the wealthy) don't need to settle, they don't even need to construct a decent case, as 'success' can mean different things to them ...that's the point

It depends how much money they're offered - everyone has a price. But to either get to the point of imaging what such a figure could be, both sides need to tool up legally.

The fact she has appointed an expensive legal counsel does not in any way indicate that she is or is not prepared to ultimately accept a settlement offer.

[Graveworm]

Durzel said:

Says in the audible he “violated company’s policy”, ergo an explicit contract breach. I also mentioned previously about RBR’s involvement if there has been an equivalent breach in this instance.

It seems so far there hasn’t been, or it hasn’t been proven. In fact hasn’t it been explicitly disproven by an independent inquiry? (though if they rule that he has no case to answer then they’re compromised, so no answer there would really suffice).

I’m not a fan of Horner, and on the balance of probabilities I can well believe that he’s copped off with that PA. Not going to condemn someone on the strength of an unsubstantiated WhatsApp convo though, and therefore extrapolate hyperbolic pronouncements about the terrible scars it would leave on F1.

Edited by Durzel on Thursday 6th March 22:03

Ehm that policy is one everyone should have.
Acas guidelines. "A relationship between a manager and a subordinate is generally considered problematic and could constitute sexual harassment, as it creates a power imbalance that can lead to coercion or the perception of unwanted advances, even if the relationship appears consensual; employers should actively discourage such relationships and have clear policies in place to address them if they arise.

[Hol]

Are there any teams he hasn’t complained about this season, for having any type of advantage over RB?



The irony is off the scale considering the way he said that the moaners should just shut up when his team was in front.


No surprise that he gets booed by F1 fans at Silvestone.

Edited by Hol on Sunday 9th March 10:12

[Sandpit Steve]

The latest series of Drive To Survive is worth watching, if only to see the smug grin wiped from Horny’s face as McLaren overtook Red Bull in the championship.

That, and all the personal stuff from the start of the season.