Will Lewis ever win #8?
Discussion
angrymoby said:
my 'evidence' shows only that the Max/ RB16B combo was not comparable at all ...how you've extrapolated that that was all down to Max & not the RB16B is a mystery to me
all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'
but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Go back and watch previous seasons (not via Netflix), and see the fight that was taken to the Mercedes team by a lone Red Bull driver all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'
but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Sure, a car can be tailored towards a drivers preferences, however it was Max fighting alone against Merc for most rounds in this decade so far
mat205125 said:
angrymoby said:
my 'evidence' shows only that the Max/ RB16B combo was not comparable at all ...how you've extrapolated that that was all down to Max & not the RB16B is a mystery to me
all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'
but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Go back and watch previous seasons (not via Netflix), and see the fight that was taken to the Mercedes team by a lone Red Bull driver all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'
but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Sure, a car can be tailored towards a drivers preferences, however it was Max fighting alone against Merc for most rounds in this decade so far
Accepting that it's impossible for the two cars to have identical performance in all conditions, I'd have to say the Red Bull was probably the better car overall in 2021- and that should be no surprise because the 2021 aero regulations were specifically designed to strip Mercedes of at least two legal and hard-won technical advantages. They struggled with the car massively in the 2021 pre-season and Bahrain was the first of 10 poles for Verstappen by a margin of four tenths.
That said, I am not a person who is going to jump up and down and insist that Verstappen won because he had a superior car. That would be a disservice to Verstappen and the Red Bull team which did a great job with their tools all season and mounted a considerable and long overdue challenge to Mercedes for the WDC. No, I think it is very clear to all that Verstappen won because of race direction gaffes in Spa and Abu Dhabi. We know this because for 2022 the regulations have been amended in such a way that, had they been applied for 2021, they would've rendered a different result.
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 24th March 16:13
andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!
A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
If the position now was that Lewis had not won a championship and that there were a lot of subsequent close calls we may have heard the truth.A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
Now, unlikely the truth will out, Lewis would certainly not out it, for fear of tarnishing his legacy.
andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!
A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
I’m not sure I’d say that Bernie, Max and Ron were “upstanding” anything!A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
If the Mercedes remains as far off the pace as it was at Bahrain, then of course that 8th title is unlikely.
BUT - that was the very first race under a new set of technical regs! The car will continue to develop (as will the rest of the field), and the likelihood is that the gap between an initially disappointing Merc and the front running Ferrari and Red Bull cars will shrink. Much like last season, where they were initially some way off the pace of Red Bull's car.
As we saw last season, and whatever you might think of his politics/dress sense/haircut/favourite flavour of ice pop... Lewis is an immensely skilled, intelligent and motivated racing driver. Given an even half-competitive car, he'll be battling it out at the front of the pack with whoever happens to be there.
Losing Bottas as a comfortable #2 driver in favour of a hungry Russell might not be as detrimental to Lewis as it first appears. He seems to become even more focused when pressured, and I suspect his desire not to be outdone by his new younger teammate is significant.
I get the feeling he's got another WDC in him. Perhaps this season, perhaps not, but I think he's got the ability and motivation to do it. And very much hope that he does!
As an aside, I really hope to see a few Lewis vs Charles scraps for the lead this season. Charles seems to have a similar hard-but-clean approach to Lewis, which ought to make for some quality wheel-to-wheel racing.
BUT - that was the very first race under a new set of technical regs! The car will continue to develop (as will the rest of the field), and the likelihood is that the gap between an initially disappointing Merc and the front running Ferrari and Red Bull cars will shrink. Much like last season, where they were initially some way off the pace of Red Bull's car.
As we saw last season, and whatever you might think of his politics/dress sense/haircut/favourite flavour of ice pop... Lewis is an immensely skilled, intelligent and motivated racing driver. Given an even half-competitive car, he'll be battling it out at the front of the pack with whoever happens to be there.
Losing Bottas as a comfortable #2 driver in favour of a hungry Russell might not be as detrimental to Lewis as it first appears. He seems to become even more focused when pressured, and I suspect his desire not to be outdone by his new younger teammate is significant.
I get the feeling he's got another WDC in him. Perhaps this season, perhaps not, but I think he's got the ability and motivation to do it. And very much hope that he does!
As an aside, I really hope to see a few Lewis vs Charles scraps for the lead this season. Charles seems to have a similar hard-but-clean approach to Lewis, which ought to make for some quality wheel-to-wheel racing.
The Moose said:
andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!
A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
I’m not sure I’d say that Bernie, Max and Ron were “upstanding” anything!A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to
maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
paulguitar said:
StRemy said:
Will depend on the car, in this respect SV and LH careers are quite comparable, the main difference being that one has had a dominating car for a higher number of seasons than the other.
Do 2007 and 2008.Edited by StRemy on Saturday 26th March 11:32
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