Will Lewis ever win #8?

Will Lewis ever win #8?

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mat205125

16,539 posts

192 months

Thursday 24th March
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angrymoby said:
my 'evidence' shows only that the Max/ RB16B combo was not comparable at all ...how you've extrapolated that that was all down to Max & not the RB16B is a mystery to me

all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'

but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Go back and watch previous seasons (not via Netflix), and see the fight that was taken to the Mercedes team by a lone Red Bull driver

Sure, a car can be tailored towards a drivers preferences, however it was Max fighting alone against Merc for most rounds in this decade so far

HustleRussell

21,777 posts

139 months

Thursday 24th March
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mat205125 said:
angrymoby said:
my 'evidence' shows only that the Max/ RB16B combo was not comparable at all ...how you've extrapolated that that was all down to Max & not the RB16B is a mystery to me

all i saw last season was Hamilton winning races he had no right to & Max starting to unravel when it came to crunch time ...& that he should be thankful to Masi that we're not all talking about how he 'choked'

but you carry on with your comparisons based on 'feels' & ill stand by my comment
Go back and watch previous seasons (not via Netflix), and see the fight that was taken to the Mercedes team by a lone Red Bull driver

Sure, a car can be tailored towards a drivers preferences, however it was Max fighting alone against Merc for most rounds in this decade so far
Perez was new into the whole Red Bull ecosystem, new to the race team itself and new to the Honda powertrain. He had three half-day pre-season test sessions to learn the car and that was it. Perez was not a yardstick for the performance of the car last season.

Accepting that it's impossible for the two cars to have identical performance in all conditions, I'd have to say the Red Bull was probably the better car overall in 2021- and that should be no surprise because the 2021 aero regulations were specifically designed to strip Mercedes of at least two legal and hard-won technical advantages. They struggled with the car massively in the 2021 pre-season and Bahrain was the first of 10 poles for Verstappen by a margin of four tenths.

That said, I am not a person who is going to jump up and down and insist that Verstappen won because he had a superior car. That would be a disservice to Verstappen and the Red Bull team which did a great job with their tools all season and mounted a considerable and long overdue challenge to Mercedes for the WDC. No, I think it is very clear to all that Verstappen won because of race direction gaffes in Spa and Abu Dhabi. We know this because for 2022 the regulations have been amended in such a way that, had they been applied for 2021, they would've rendered a different result.

Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 24th March 16:13

Sgt Joe Roberts

108 posts

9 months

Thursday 24th March
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I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.

TriumphStag3.0V8

2,278 posts

60 months

Thursday 24th March
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Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
And clearly living rent free in your head.

paulguitar

16,151 posts

92 months

Thursday 24th March
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Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
Probably best to get back on the meds, I think.



jsf

26,243 posts

215 months

Thursday 24th March
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Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
Dont be so hard on yourself.

annodomini2

6,582 posts

230 months

Friday 25th March
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andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!

A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to

maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
If the position now was that Lewis had not won a championship and that there were a lot of subsequent close calls we may have heard the truth.

Now, unlikely the truth will out, Lewis would certainly not out it, for fear of tarnishing his legacy.


Yazza54

16,505 posts

160 months

Friday 25th March
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I don't think he will. He's an incredible talent, but there are many incredible talents in F1 and he no longer has the best car, not even close. Unless there's a massive turnaround, or if there isn't a massive turnaround and he jumps ship...!

Ian974

2,625 posts

178 months

Friday 25th March
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If he does get the championship this year, I look forward to the arguments at the end of the season where everyone insists he only got it because he had the best car hehe

The Moose

21,760 posts

188 months

Friday 25th March
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andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!

A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to

maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
I’m not sure I’d say that Bernie, Max and Ron were “upstanding” anything!

Derek Smith

42,710 posts

227 months

Friday 25th March
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
And clearly living rent free in your head.
Thanks for that, TS3. I laughed when I read it.

PhilAsia

1,149 posts

54 months

Saturday 26th March
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
And clearly living rent free in your head.
......and despite the crap views

Jonny_

3,699 posts

186 months

Saturday 26th March
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If the Mercedes remains as far off the pace as it was at Bahrain, then of course that 8th title is unlikely.

BUT - that was the very first race under a new set of technical regs! The car will continue to develop (as will the rest of the field), and the likelihood is that the gap between an initially disappointing Merc and the front running Ferrari and Red Bull cars will shrink. Much like last season, where they were initially some way off the pace of Red Bull's car.

As we saw last season, and whatever you might think of his politics/dress sense/haircut/favourite flavour of ice pop... Lewis is an immensely skilled, intelligent and motivated racing driver. Given an even half-competitive car, he'll be battling it out at the front of the pack with whoever happens to be there.

Losing Bottas as a comfortable #2 driver in favour of a hungry Russell might not be as detrimental to Lewis as it first appears. He seems to become even more focused when pressured, and I suspect his desire not to be outdone by his new younger teammate is significant.

I get the feeling he's got another WDC in him. Perhaps this season, perhaps not, but I think he's got the ability and motivation to do it. And very much hope that he does!



As an aside, I really hope to see a few Lewis vs Charles scraps for the lead this season. Charles seems to have a similar hard-but-clean approach to Lewis, which ought to make for some quality wheel-to-wheel racing.

paulguitar

16,151 posts

92 months

Saturday 26th March
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PhilAsia said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
And clearly living rent free in your head.
......and despite the crap views
tumbleweed

andburg

5,487 posts

148 months

Saturday 26th March
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The Moose said:
andburg said:
A secret backroom deal with Ron, Mosely and Bernie involved? Never!!!

A private deal meaning the championship would run to the end for the show but that Mclaren were not allowed to win? please that not something the rt hon. Bernie / Max or Ron would ever agree to

maybe once Lewis has retired we'll find out what he knows but i cant see the 3 upstanding pillars of F1 being involved in skulduggery, well at least not without Flavio having some steer too
I’m not sure I’d say that Bernie, Max and Ron were “upstanding” anything!
Think you need a Woosh Parrot wink

Jasandjules

67,609 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th March
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PhilAsia said:
......and despite the crap views
But at least there is a lot of space?

Stuart70

3,108 posts

162 months

Saturday 26th March
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Sgt Joe Roberts said:
I hope not.

Liar, tax evader, virtue signalling, woke, numpty.

Coming first in a one horse race is no achievement.
Y’areet pet?

StRemy

242 posts

11 months

Saturday 26th March
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Will depend on the car, in this respect SV and LH careers are quite comparable, the main difference being that one has had a dominating car for a higher number of seasons than the other.

paulguitar

16,151 posts

92 months

Saturday 26th March
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StRemy said:
Will depend on the car, in this respect SV and LH careers are quite comparable, the main difference being that one has had a dominating car for a higher number of seasons than the other.
Do 2007 and 2008.

StRemy

242 posts

11 months

Saturday 26th March
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paulguitar said:
StRemy said:
Will depend on the car, in this respect SV and LH careers are quite comparable, the main difference being that one has had a dominating car for a higher number of seasons than the other.
Do 2007 and 2008.
Championship winning cars based on “leased” data from a certain Italian manufacturer. He was even beaten by JB when McL was no longer in a position to win the championship.



Edited by StRemy on Saturday 26th March 11:32