Pants and nose rings and driver safety
Discussion
sociopath said:
Alternatively...
It's been in the rule book a long time, and just hasn't been enforced.
After last years complaints about not following the rules, they've decided they will follow all of them.
The argument against, is just one driver trying to show he's bigger than F1.
Turns out he isn't and has had to eat humble pie when it turned out the FIA weren't bluffing.
Personally I think Vettel's protest against the underwear rule was much funnier and didn't make him look like an entitled knob
It's been in the rule book a long time, and just hasn't been enforced.
After last years complaints about not following the rules, they've decided they will follow all of them.
The argument against, is just one driver trying to show he's bigger than F1.
Turns out he isn't and has had to eat humble pie when it turned out the FIA weren't bluffing.
Personally I think Vettel's protest against the underwear rule was much funnier and didn't make him look like an entitled knob
Stamping your feet and crying about being beat and getting somebody sacked has come back to bite him, so suck it up buttercup.
Anticipating the next FIA directive introducing grammar school rules regarding hair having to be neat & tidy, of a 'normal' style, no longer than collar length, and that drivers must be clean shaven at all times, plus a new directive that tattoo ink is highly flammable.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 10th May 02:56
GCH said:
Anticipating the next FIA directive introducing grammar school rules regarding hair having to be neat & tidy, of a 'normal' style, no longer than collar length, and that drivers must be clean shaven at all times, plus a new directive that tattoo ink is highly flammable.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Yes because they are 100% doing this to only target Hamilton...grow up!The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 10th May 02:56
Tyre Smoke said:
I'm with Evercross here. I even noticed Lewis complaining about his tyres seven laps in. Both my son and I had the same thought "getting his excuses in early".
Have you ever listened to LH radio re tyres? He could be:20 seconds ahead and the tyres are going off
20 seconds ahead and the tyres are fine
20 seconds behind and the tyres are going off
20 seconds behind and the tyres are fine
about to set the fastest lap
about to pit for tyres
etc etc
He complains about tyres when he is eating a vegan steak ffs (although that is reasonable).
Why does he complain? Well, many have said how sensitive he is to tyre condition, and this is backed by his ability to conserve them better than most. He may be in a part of the tyre cycle that is not allowing him to keep pace without affecting the duration. He may be trying to influence other teams and drivers. He may have caused graining. He may be giving some prearranged coded information as to the condition.
Now, if you had said: "I even noticed Lewis complaining about an uncomfortable level of BBQ hickory hog short rib smoke seven laps in", I would have had the same thought as you and your son with the "getting his excuses in early" b
ks!PhilAsia said:
Tyre Smoke said:
I'm with Evercross here. I even noticed Lewis complaining about his tyres seven laps in. Both my son and I had the same thought "getting his excuses in early".
Have you ever listened to LH radio re tyres? He could be:20 seconds ahead and the tyres are going off
20 seconds ahead and the tyres are fine
20 seconds behind and the tyres are going off
20 seconds behind and the tyres are fine
about to set the fastest lap
about to pit for tyres
etc etc
He complains about tyres when he is eating a vegan steak ffs (although that is reasonable).
Why does he complain? Well, many have said how sensitive he is to tyre condition, and this is backed by his ability to conserve them better than most. He may be in a part of the tyre cycle that is not allowing him to keep pace without affecting the duration. He may be trying to influence other teams and drivers. He may have caused graining. He may be giving some prearranged coded information as to the condition.
Now, if you had said: "I even noticed Lewis complaining about an uncomfortable level of BBQ hickory hog short rib smoke seven laps in", I would have had the same thought as you and your son with the "getting his excuses in early" b
ks!GCH said:
Anticipating the next FIA directive introducing grammar school rules regarding hair having to be neat & tidy, of a 'normal' style, no longer than collar length, and that drivers must be clean shaven at all times, plus a new directive that tattoo ink is highly flammable.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
It's inane bThe directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 10th May 02:56
ks like this (which seems to come up many times so not just targeting this little lad) which actually damages the legitimate issues that Hamilton is often fighting against. It's the same with many movements that have legitimate and genuine issues, they get caught up by absolute weirdos who I assume think they are helping but often end up belittling the cause and allowing the oppressors to ridicule the movement. a_dreamer said:
GCH said:
Anticipating the next FIA directive introducing grammar school rules regarding hair having to be neat & tidy, of a 'normal' style, no longer than collar length, and that drivers must be clean shaven at all times, plus a new directive that tattoo ink is highly flammable.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
I am pretty much 100% sure this is an exaggeration
It's inane bThe directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
I am pretty much 100% sure this is an exaggeration
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 10th May 02:56
ks like this (which seems to come up many times so not just targeting this little lad) which actually damages the legitimate issues that Hamilton is often fighting against. It's the same with many movements that have legitimate and genuine issues, they get caught up by absolute weirdos who I assume think they are helping but often end up belittling the cause and allowing the oppressors to ridicule the movement. MarkwG said:
PhilAsia said:
Tyre Smoke said:
I'm with Evercross here. I even noticed Lewis complaining about his tyres seven laps in. Both my son and I had the same thought "getting his excuses in early".
Have you ever listened to LH radio re tyres? He could be:20 seconds ahead and the tyres are going off
20 seconds ahead and the tyres are fine
20 seconds behind and the tyres are going off
20 seconds behind and the tyres are fine
about to set the fastest lap
about to pit for tyres
etc etc
He complains about tyres when he is eating a vegan steak ffs (although that is reasonable).
Why does he complain? Well, many have said how sensitive he is to tyre condition, and this is backed by his ability to conserve them better than most. He may be in a part of the tyre cycle that is not allowing him to keep pace without affecting the duration. He may be trying to influence other teams and drivers. He may have caused graining. He may be giving some prearranged coded information as to the condition.
Now, if you had said: "I even noticed Lewis complaining about an uncomfortable level of BBQ hickory hog short rib smoke seven laps in", I would have had the same thought as you and your son with the "getting his excuses in early" b
ks!PhilAsia said:
the oppressors will always find a way...it is what they do
I agree, but it can be made easy for them or difficult. Also, if we argue that this nose ring thing is racist and targeted at Lewis, then it's very easy for people to laugh off the targeted attack of someone due to their race as it seems silly. It belittles genuine issues. "the woke say he's oppressed cos of a nose stud".... Etc
a_dreamer said:
PhilAsia said:
the oppressors will always find a way...it is what they do
I agree, but it can be made easy for them or difficult. Also, if we argue that this nose ring thing is racist and targeted at Lewis, then it's very easy for people to laugh off the targeted attack of someone due to their race as it seems silly. It belittles genuine issues. "the woke say he's oppressed cos of a nose stud".... Etc
The rules are more strictly enforced this year as a result of a season of odd rulings that culminated in a complete manipulation in order to influence a result (unknowingly, or more likely, knowingly) in favour of one of the competitors over another.
The ruling regarding wide fronts and jewelry seems only to affect the competitor and no other. It has been widely disregarded for many years and has not - as far as I am aware affected a season's outcome.
Both Lewis and Seb decided to extract the urine and, I guess ultimately, will comply with the ruling if 100% enforced...in the same way as Max is driving superbly and in a sporting manner this season.
The enforcement of the pants and nose ring ruling will not change the course of the season. The driving standards enforcement more-than-likely will (at some point in the future).
PhilAsia said:
I think so. The regularity of the opposite of the "tyre situation" indicated being true over the course of Lewis' (and probably others, as you say) career, would strongly suggest as much. There are things that became obvious, such as "Multi21", pitstop "going with plan A's and C's", etc that would indicate it is quite common.
The radio transmissions are all public and in real time, so teams all have ‘spies’ listing to the transmissions of their competitors looking for useful information. Hence the teams and drivers trying to obfuscate things as much as possible. There have been stories of teams using plus to mean minus, and challenge/respond communications using different numbers of the word ‘box’ - plus plenty more we don’t know about. You have to make sure your code doesn’t confuse you own driver though!
ade73 said:
sociopath said:
Alternatively...
It's been in the rule book a long time, and just hasn't been enforced.
After last years complaints about not following the rules, they've decided they will follow all of them.
The argument against, is just one driver trying to show he's bigger than F1.
Turns out he isn't and has had to eat humble pie when it turned out the FIA weren't bluffing.
Personally I think Vettel's protest against the underwear rule was much funnier and didn't make him look like an entitled knob
It's been in the rule book a long time, and just hasn't been enforced.
After last years complaints about not following the rules, they've decided they will follow all of them.
The argument against, is just one driver trying to show he's bigger than F1.
Turns out he isn't and has had to eat humble pie when it turned out the FIA weren't bluffing.
Personally I think Vettel's protest against the underwear rule was much funnier and didn't make him look like an entitled knob
Stamping your feet and crying about being beat and getting somebody sacked has come back to bite him, so suck it up buttercup.
However the race ended when the rulebook stopped being used. Max didn't win, however you want to call it.
TypeRTim said:
GCH said:
Anticipating the next FIA directive introducing grammar school rules regarding hair having to be neat & tidy, of a 'normal' style, no longer than collar length, and that drivers must be clean shaven at all times, plus a new directive that tattoo ink is highly flammable.
The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Yes because they are 100% doing this to only target Hamilton...grow up!The directive after that will be that being black makes it harder to see a driver in the smoke for rescue and extraction if the car is on fire, so all drivers of colour have to whiteface up a little. Because safety.
Edited by GCH on Tuesday 10th May 02:56
jimPH said:
Having looked at the nose ring in question - seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. Had to look closely to see it.
One of the quotes from Hamilton I read early on in this spat was that he had a piercing in a place, "he couldn't mention".It may be quite a large accoutrement judging by the theatrical adjustment of his crotch area every time he gets into the car. (Once seen you notice it every time unfortunately.
).andygo said:
jimPH said:
Having looked at the nose ring in question - seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. Had to look closely to see it.
One of the quotes from Hamilton I read early on in this spat was that he had a piercing in a place, "he couldn't mention".It may be quite a large accoutrement judging by the theatrical adjustment of his crotch area every time he gets into the car. (Once seen you notice it every time unfortunately.
).a_dreamer said:
andygo said:
jimPH said:
Having looked at the nose ring in question - seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. Had to look closely to see it.
One of the quotes from Hamilton I read early on in this spat was that he had a piercing in a place, "he couldn't mention".It may be quite a large accoutrement judging by the theatrical adjustment of his crotch area every time he gets into the car. (Once seen you notice it every time unfortunately.
).Siao said:
Bloody hell, this is so amusing. First the FIA are idiots that they didn't enforce their own rules last year. Now they are idiots that they are enforcing their own rules.
Can't freaking win...
Yeah, right. Cos it is exactly what is going on here isn't it. Can't freaking win...
The whole thing feels like when you tell off your grumpy teenager, and they try to petulantly make some kind of point by going too much the other way. Anyone who has been a parent to teenage kids will know what I am talking about.
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