Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo

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Pflanzgarten

3,919 posts

25 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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HustleRussell said:
Now that Ricciardo has swallowed his pride and re-signed? The smug ‘I told you so’ is immediate. Really what an awful person Horner is.
Deluded too, with Ricciardo getting points and podiums along the way it's unlikely Max would have won in 2021against Hamilton.

PhilAsia

3,789 posts

75 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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HustleRussell said:
Now that Ricciardo has swallowed his pride and re-signed? The smug ‘I told you so’ is immediate. Really what an awful person Horner is.
My immediate thought when Ric was resigned was to deflect attention away from the toxicity of RB.

This comment is unsurprisingly expected :- Horner: "...But Daniel is such a great personality and big character. We felt it was right to bring him back into the team – and of course promotionally, he's got the biggest smile in Formula 1..."



HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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'We were so good together'

'Then you "did something stupid" and left'

'Didn't work out, did it?'

'Oh well, you're back now where you're safe and warm'

'I always said you have a pretty smile'

If this was a romantic relationship, this would be considered creepy, controlling and manipulative behaviour.

Horner makes my skin crawl.

Bonefish Blues

26,648 posts

223 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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HustleRussell said:
'We were so good together'

'Then you "did something stupid" and left'

'Didn't work out, did it?'

'Oh well, you're back now where you're safe and warm'

'I always said you have a pretty smile'

If this was a romantic relationship, this would be considered creepy, controlling and manipulative behaviour.

Horner makes my skin crawl.
I think the team does tbh - just a really odd bunch up to and incl Newey, whose genius is not in doubt, but, oh I dunno, who said of Michael Howard 'There's something of the night about him'?

You'd not have a pint with them, would you?

HustleRussell

24,640 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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Bonefish Blues said:
I think the team does tbh - just a really odd bunch up to and incl Newey, whose genius is not in doubt, but, oh I dunno, who said of Michael Howard 'There's something of the night about him'?

You'd not have a pint with them, would you?
I don't know, I think I like Newey... although you have to ask questions of anyone who associates with apparent aholes for so many years (Horner and Marko).

Bonefish Blues

26,648 posts

223 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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HustleRussell said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I think the team does tbh - just a really odd bunch up to and incl Newey, whose genius is not in doubt, but, oh I dunno, who said of Michael Howard 'There's something of the night about him'?

You'd not have a pint with them, would you?
I don't know, I think I like Newey... although you have to ask questions of anyone who associates with apparent aholes for so many years (Horner and Marko).
TBF RB gave him everything he wanted, whenever he wanted, so I can see why.

Frank & Patrick should have given him a share in Williams those many years ago.


neverlifted

3,598 posts

245 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.

MustangGT

11,623 posts

280 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
Not a hope of that. RB have always operated a number 1 and number 2 in the team, this is not Mercedes here.

Danny was of the mindset he is a potential WDC, RB have told him that he will always be number 2 to Max, who he was beating up until that point in time. Would you have stayed? I certainly would not.

Now, Danny is looking for less stress but to stay in the F1 fold. Only way to do that is as a reserve driver of some sort. RB offered what he wanted.

deadslow

7,988 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
he should have stayed at RB. Certainly looked to have the talent to have a stab at the title if the stars aligned for him. Decent of them to throw him a lifeline after the last two years. Really hope he can find his form.

paulguitar

23,289 posts

113 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.




Jasandjules

69,869 posts

229 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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paulguitar said:
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
He wasn't getting it. I think Baku was the final nail in the coffin.

Pflanzgarten

3,919 posts

25 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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paulguitar said:
neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
Everyone says this. Usually the same people say just how ruthless the Red Bull driver program and the team itself is.

If they looked at the data and thought Ricciardo was a better bet, why wouldn't they behave so ruthlessly to Verstappen and not given him equal treatment.

He came up against an Alien and he knew he didn't have the minerals for the fight.

deadslow

7,988 posts

223 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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Pflanzgarten said:
paulguitar said:
neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
Everyone says this. Usually the same people say just how ruthless the Red Bull driver program and the team itself is.

If they looked at the data and thought Ricciardo was a better bet, why wouldn't they behave so ruthlessly to Verstappen and not given him equal treatment.

He came up against an Alien and he knew he didn't have the minerals for the fight.
yes The numbers don't lie. Danny saw the writing on the wall and rolled the dice.

PhilAsia

3,789 posts

75 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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Pflanzgarten said:
paulguitar said:
neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
Everyone says this. Usually the same people say just how ruthless the Red Bull driver program and the team itself is.

If they looked at the data and thought Ricciardo was a better bet, why wouldn't they behave so ruthlessly to Verstappen and not given him equal treatment.

He came up against an Alien and he knew he didn't have the minerals for the fight.
All Max fans say this!!!

All the data and results showed Ric was the better and more controlled driver until RB put their efforts into designing the car for Max and his banzai bs approach to racing.

Pflanzgarten

3,919 posts

25 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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deadslow said:
Pflanzgarten said:
paulguitar said:
neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
Everyone says this. Usually the same people say just how ruthless the Red Bull driver program and the team itself is.

If they looked at the data and thought Ricciardo was a better bet, why wouldn't they behave so ruthlessly to Verstappen and not given him equal treatment.

He came up against an Alien and he knew he didn't have the minerals for the fight.
yes The numbers don't lie. Danny saw the writing on the wall and rolled the dice.
It's why I have the utmost respect for what Rosberg did. Might not have liked him much at the time but the fortitude from being beaten by his team mate for three straight years before finally achieving his life long dream took some doing. Even Alonso didn't have the guts for that particular fight.


entropy

5,431 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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Pflanzgarten said:
paulguitar said:
neverlifted said:
Should have stayed at Red Bull imo. Could have done a Rosberg.
He could clearly see he wasn't going to get equal treatment there. Very different from the situation at Merc.
Everyone says this. Usually the same people say just how ruthless the Red Bull driver program and the team itself is.

If they looked at the data and thought Ricciardo was a better bet, why wouldn't they behave so ruthlessly to Verstappen and not given him equal treatment.

He came up against an Alien and he knew he didn't have the minerals for the fight.
Ricc has gone on record saying he felt he wasn't supported by the team after his contretemps with Max - who was, arguably, more at fault - at the 2018 Azerbaijan GP and was the main reason he left.

As easy as it is and I am guilty of this numerous times of saying RBR enjoy their Golden Boy drivers publicly it is also an old ploy to create a rivalry to push drivers to elevate themselves and this backfired with Ricc leaving.

In DTS Horner genuinely looked sad at losing a driver of Ricc's calibre, even if Ricc's form dropped after Baku. Horner relished having two top drivers in his team and RBR has never been in this situation before.





Cobracc

3,345 posts

150 months

Thursday 8th December 2022
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Australian Coulthard.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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Cobracc said:
Australian Coulthard.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

I mean, who would want to be a multimillionaire hotel owner, living in Monaco with a string of homes all over the world?

paulguitar

23,289 posts

113 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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C70R said:
Cobracc said:
Australian Coulthard.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

I mean, who would want to be a multimillionaire hotel owner, living in Monaco with a string of homes all over the world?
Most/all drivers would trade that for a title.




Siao

870 posts

40 months

Friday 9th December 2022
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paulguitar said:
C70R said:
Cobracc said:
Australian Coulthard.
You say that like it's a bad thing.

I mean, who would want to be a multimillionaire hotel owner, living in Monaco with a string of homes all over the world?
Most/all drivers would trade that for a title.
Different matter altogether though. Since his talent didn't get him a title, he's done the best he could with the money he earned, like Irvine.

Or he could go down the way of Hunt, Gascoigne or other athletes that threw away what they earned.