Daniel Ricciardo

[PhilAsia]

SmoothCriminal said:

PhilAsia said:

SmoothCriminal said:

How can people say the "Mclaren doesn't suit him" it's not even the same car as last year where he was also st, the only difference this year is he won't be getting a lucky win.

Completely over rated and living on his future wdc hype redbull days.


The car doesn't suit him lol

The reason I put forward that the "car does not suit him" is because he was having difficulty at one point with the brakes: "...Daniel Ricciardo says getting comfortable with the brakes in his McLaren is one of the biggest adjustments he has to make since joining the team. Having switched to his third different team in the last four seasons, Ricciardo described how he is again having to adapt to a car which behaves differently under braking compared to what he is used to......"

I am not as up-to-date as you SmoothCriminal. Have the brakes been changed/adjusted over 2021/22?

The change from the 13's to 18 inch wheel sizes in 2022 meant they increased the size of the front and rear discs but reduced the amount of venting allowed on it.

https://www.pmw-magazine.com/news/chassis/brembo-o...

I am not sure if the new specs on tyre size, sidewall depth, venting etc, would effect a change that would be felt through the pedal. Have the compounds and manufacturer changed? Feeeeeeeel can be very important to some to extract the maximum slip.

I am not denying the tech changes could favour either of our points - or more likely negate them probably in my case - but I think there are two points here. One, Ric was not comfortable with the feel in the braking area, but, more importantly and compoundingly, Lando is effing peach in a car he can kinda rinse......... even when not comfortable! Ric thrives on ego imho, and that is a fragile condition if held to a mirror.

In another car, with less of a stellar team mate he may get his mojo back. I have a feeling he needs to be on top to be on top to see his best...

Edited by PhilAsia on Saturday 6th August 16:19

[PhillipM]

They tried changing brake compounds last year on the car to help Ric out and it made bugger all difference.

[ChocolateFrog]

Muzzer79 said:

ChocolateFrog said:

He's been on borrowed time for years.

Basically living on a few good moves in his RB days and his personality, which I'm sure has bought him time.

I'd imagine in terms of VFM he's bottom of the list.

The likes of Latifi (who's actually improved quite a bit this season) will be on a fraction of his wages.

You can’t seriously be comparing Ricciardo to Latifi…?

“Living in a few good moves….and his personality”

Try 8 race wins

The McLaren doesn’t suit him, but let’s not suggest that Ricciardo is anything but a very good racing driver.

I though it was pretty clear what I said.

8 wins has bought him the last 5 years or so.

I stand by the comment that in terms of value for money he's currently bottom.

I think he's a bottom of the middle third driver in F1 terms, whether that classes him as very good or not I'll leave that upto you.

Edit just to clarify nowhere did I say Latifi was better than Ricciardo.

Edited by ChocolateFrog on Saturday 6th August 17:10

[8Ace]

FourWheelDrift said:

Piginapoke said:

I really can't see Alpine taking him after what he did to them.

I can see Pierre Gasly going there.

Me too. Alpine would be an all-French team, and I can imagine that may appeal.

[105.4]

8Ace said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Piginapoke said:

I really can't see Alpine taking him after what he did to them.

I can see Pierre Gasly going there.

Me too. Alpine would be an all-French team, and I can imagine that may appeal.

That would be a fantastic driver pairing, regardless of the fact that they’re both Frenchmen, racing for a French manufacturer.

My finger has been off the pulse for a few years now, but did those two come through the junior formulas together?

[parabolica]

105.4 said:

8Ace said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Piginapoke said:

I really can't see Alpine taking him after what he did to them.

I can see Pierre Gasly going there.

Me too. Alpine would be an all-French team, and I can imagine that may appeal.

That would be a fantastic driver pairing, regardless of the fact that they’re both Frenchmen, racing for a French manufacturer.

My finger has been off the pulse for a few years now, but did those two come through the junior formulas together?

Yes, they did. But if the jungle drums are to be believed there is bad blood between them; apparently used to be really good, close friends and then suddenly no more just before they got into F1. Josh Revell did a half-decent video about it on his youtube channel.

[thegreenhell]

Yes, allegedly they fell out years ago when they moved from karting into cars, and now aren't really on speaking terms. That's not a good recipe for teammates, especially considering the way Ocon in particular likes to get his elbows out on track. I think we'd see a few French tempers rising if they were paired together.

[105.4]

parabolica said:

Yes, they did. But if the jungle drums are to be believed there is bad blood between them; apparently used to be really good, close friends and then suddenly no more just before they got into F1. Josh Revell did a half-decent video about it on his youtube channel.

Cheers. I’ll have a search on YouTube for that when I get the chance to eventually eat my lunch.

[Pflanzgarten]

See both the Ocon and Gasly “beyond the grid” podcasts too-they both talk about it.

A shame really, the “French” young drivers in the lower formula made for great veiwing, Gasly, Leclerc, Hubert, Ocon…

[Fundoreen]

Obviously nobody knows as yet but the gastly/ocon pairing and budget cap dont mix.

[Damp Logs]

All sorts of ‘click bait’ that Ricciardo has been sacked, but can’t find anything definitive!

If anyone knows, it the PH collective……..

[HustleRussell]

PhilAsia said:

Masi revisited....

We don't need it in every single F1 thread Phil.

[rallycross]

18 days till the next race they don’t need to announce anything in a hurry.

Their most recent press release was an hour ago in their Facebook page with a photo of DR enjoying his holiday .....

Edited by rallycross on Monday 8th August 17:15

[Jasandjules]

Well I guess he may well get paid £20m to spend next season at home, I think I'd be smiling too

[TheDeuce]

Jasandjules said:

Well I guess he may well get paid £20m to spend next season at home, I think I'd be smiling too

Quite. Plenty seem to be enjoying the drama of his potential exit from F1 but the reality is he's got millions of fans, a decent overall race record and enough money to buy an island. And enough pedigree and publicity to get into just about any other racing series.

Although personally I'd like to see him stick around in F1 a little longer - I still can't quite believe how quickly he went downhill and can't help but hope in the right car that trend can be reversed. Granted, it's been quite some time though...

[vaud]

TheDeuce said:

Jasandjules said:

Well I guess he may well get paid £20m to spend next season at home, I think I'd be smiling too

Quite. Plenty seem to be enjoying the drama of his potential exit from F1 but the reality is he's got millions of fans, a decent overall race record and enough money to buy an island. And enough pedigree and publicity to get into just about any other racing series.

Although personally I'd like to see him stick around in F1 a little longer - I still can't quite believe how quickly he went downhill and can't help but hope in the right car that trend can be reversed. Granted, it's been quite some time though...

But that isn't the mindset of an F1 driver. Many would race for free just to be in the car.

[TheDeuce]

vaud said:

TheDeuce said:

Jasandjules said:

Well I guess he may well get paid £20m to spend next season at home, I think I'd be smiling too

Quite. Plenty seem to be enjoying the drama of his potential exit from F1 but the reality is he's got millions of fans, a decent overall race record and enough money to buy an island. And enough pedigree and publicity to get into just about any other racing series.

Although personally I'd like to see him stick around in F1 a little longer - I still can't quite believe how quickly he went downhill and can't help but hope in the right car that trend can be reversed. Granted, it's been quite some time though...

But that isn't the mindset of an F1 driver. Many would race for free just to be in the car.

I can't disagree. Although I've long suspected that DR's mindset is the problem, almost as if he's too casual about being an F1 driver?

Perhaps we'll find out as he's easily valuable enough in terms of fans and sponsors to secure a drive if he values the drive over and above £££. He definitely doesn't need the money so at worst it's entirely down to him whether or not he drives next year.

I suspect he will be offered a seat at decent money in any case, if all he can get is a backfield team drive for a pittance it'll be interesting to see if he takes it.

[105.4]

TheDeuce said:

I can't disagree. Although I've long suspected that DR's mindset is the problem, almost as if he's too casual about being an F1 driver?

Perhaps we'll find out as he's easily valuable enough in terms of fans and sponsors to secure a drive if he values the drive over and above £££. He definitely doesn't need the money so at worst it's entirely down to him whether or not he drives next year.

I suspect he will be offered a seat at decent money in any case, if all he can get is a backfield team drive for a pittance it'll be interesting to see if he takes it.

V8 Supercars perhaps?

[TheDeuce]

105.4 said:

TheDeuce said:

I can't disagree. Although I've long suspected that DR's mindset is the problem, almost as if he's too casual about being an F1 driver?

Perhaps we'll find out as he's easily valuable enough in terms of fans and sponsors to secure a drive if he values the drive over and above £££. He definitely doesn't need the money so at worst it's entirely down to him whether or not he drives next year.

I suspect he will be offered a seat at decent money in any case, if all he can get is a backfield team drive for a pittance it'll be interesting to see if he takes it.

V8 Supercars perhaps?

If not F1 then I expect supercars is top of the list.

[thegreenhell]

An interesting video from Danny's own youtube channel a couple of years ago, just before he joined McLaren, where he gets properly beaten at karting by a retired Button. What's interesting is the ribbing he gets about his car setup knowledge, and there's obviously another related story that JB is holding back.