The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

[Gad-Westy]

HustleRussell said:

Gad-Westy said:

Fundoreen said:

Latifi out then . Like most of the grid he was unlikely to ever win an f1 race

11 out of the 20 already have won a race….

Probably a pretty unusual statistic in F1 really (more than half of current drivers being F1 race winners). Will be less than half again next year though with no Vettel and probably no Ricciardo.

Maybe GR might bag a win before the end of the season. Less hopeful for Lando but it'll happen eventually.

[thegreenhell]

HustleRussell said:

Gad-Westy said:

Fundoreen said:

Latifi out then . Like most of the grid he was unlikely to ever win an f1 race

11 out of the 20 already have won a race….

Probably a pretty unusual statistic in F1 really (more than half of current drivers being F1 race winners). Will be less than half again next year though with no Vettel and probably no Ricciardo.

Over the entire history of the World Championship, approximately 1 in 7 of all drivers who have started a race have won a race. Having more than half of a single grid being race winners may or may not be an anomaly, but you have to factor in that drivers who are proven winners tend to have much longer careers than average so there will be more of them around at any given time, while many others will come and go more quickly in the meantime without troubling the scorers.

[Sandpit Steve]

Muzzer79 said:

Petrus1983 said:

As a person I liked Latifi and thought he came across well - but I’m also glad that one of those coveted 20 F1 seats will now be with a more deserving driver.

+1.

For all his apparent lack of pace compared to Russell and Albon, he wasn't completely incompetent and seemed to have a good attitude.

It seems to me that as the value of teams has risen, the necessity for drivers bringing budget may be shifting away and teams can focus more on quality rather than funds.

I see this only as a positive.

Indeed. Nicholas is a nice guy, but not quick enough and prone to over-extending himself.

Thankfully, F1 is continuing the slow move away from a money-based sport to a merit-based sport, as far as driver selection at the lower end of the grid is concerned.

There’s an excess of talent around at the moment, won’t be too difficult for Williams to find someone to fill the seat. The guy who did just that 10 days ago, should be high on the list.

[vulture1]

You could almost argue that Lando and George were both robbed of a nailed on win. Ifs and ands etc

[sandman77]

vulture1 said:

You could almost argue that Lando and George were both robbed of a nailed on win. Ifs and ands etc

Lando wasn’t robbed. He decided not to change for wet tyres and lost fair and square. The other opportunity he had he was beaten by his team mate.

George on the other hand was certainly robbed of a win.

[super7]

sandman77 said:

vulture1 said:

You could almost argue that Lando and George were both robbed of a nailed on win. Ifs and ands etc

Lando wasn’t robbed. He decided not to change for wet tyres and lost fair and square. The other opportunity he had he was beaten by his team mate.

George on the other hand was certainly robbed of a win.

Lando rolled the dice and lost.....

[HustleRussell]

Pflanzgarten said:

kambites said:

Jasandjules said:

So is DeVries in?

I suspect de Vries will be in somewhere, but IMO probably not at Williams. My best guess is:

Gasley to Alpine
de Vries to Alpha Tauri
Someone from F2 to Williams

I suspect Mercedes will want de Vries in at Williams and out of the hands of Marko.

Since they can't get Herta in, I wonder if the sport will be pushing for Logan Sergeant to Williams

[Fundoreen]

Yep im wrong as a legitimate f1 media person. But at least I haven't been paid for it lol.
If only the cars were more equal we could judge the drivers more fairly. Can modestly funded teams afford to waste money on crash repairs?.
They have hyped piastri to the moon due to his f1 connections webber/couthard/channel 4 platform and all the blah blah.
Poor little devries didn't have this so just faded from the picture after his f2 success and had to be content with being a Electric world champion at his 1st attempt.
Luck has paid a part but he's back and should have 1st refusal of the choice seat available.

[HustleRussell]

Fundoreen said:

Yep im wrong as a legitimate f1 media person. But at least I haven't been paid for it lol.
If only the cars were more equal we could judge the drivers more fairly. Can modestly funded teams afford to waste money on crash repairs?.
They have hyped piastri to the moon due to his f1 connections webber/couthard/channel 4 platform and all the blah blah.
Poor little devries didn't have this so just faded from the picture after his f2 success and had to be content with being a Electric world champion at his 1st attempt.
Luck has paid a part but he's back and should have 1st refusal of the choice seat available.

Piastri is better than de Vries. Also, de Vries has had loads of FP1s. Teams have always been lukewarm on him.

[Fundoreen]

HustleRussell said:

Piastri is better than de Vries. Also, de Vries has had loads of FP1s. Teams have always been lukewarm on him.

Well the good thing is we will get to see next year,but im reminded the piastri has not even done that yet before the hysteria machine started up.

[MissChief]

super7 said:

sandman77 said:

vulture1 said:

You could almost argue that Lando and George were both robbed of a nailed on win. Ifs and ands etc

Lando wasn’t robbed. He decided not to change for wet tyres and lost fair and square. The other opportunity he had he was beaten by his team mate.

George on the other hand was certainly robbed of a win.

Lando rolled the dice and lost.....

Exactly. And History is full of drivers who have rolled and won and had them declared heroes or master tacticians. When it came to Norris I think his Mechanic should have been a bit more forceful and told him to box.

[PhilAsia]

jsf said:

MissChief said:

Exactly. And History is full of drivers who have rolled and won and had them declared heroes or master tacticians. When it came to Norris I think his Mechanic should have been a bit more forceful and told him to box.

His mechanic doesn't talk to him.

Lover's tiff....?

[ajprice]

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

[Dermot O'Logical]

ajprice said:

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

Well played, Sir!

[Petrus1983]

Dermot O'Logical said:

ajprice said:

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

Well played, Sir!

[Nickp82]

ajprice said:

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

Lando called, he wants his joke back

[McAndy]

ajprice said:

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

[andburg]

Nickp82 said:

ajprice said:

It's going to be weird next year without these two, 53 wins and 4 WDCs between them...

Lando called, he wants his joke back

He can have it, Williams have decided not to use it again

[andburg]

Apparently Hulkenberg is not being seriously considered, he’s been petitioning teams to keep Latifi in as the only driver capable of beating his record

[Dermot O'Logical]

andburg said:

Apparently Hulkenberg is not being seriously considered, he’s been petitioning teams to keep Latifi in as the only driver capable of beating his record

Hulkenberg would be fantastic for Haas - his development skills and technical feedback are highly regarded by all engineers who have worked with him. He's exactly what Haas need right now.