The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2023 silly season *contains speculation*

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ralphrj

3,308 posts

171 months

Thursday 2nd June
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vaud said:
My guess is Danny is on an option for 2023 subject to certain criteria relative to his team mate (and excluding mechanical failures, etc) and so is on notice that it won't be renewed.

Hence the comments about "contractual mechanisms", etc.
Rumour is that it is an option in his favour (i.e. he can choose to take it up). However, he may not be meeting certain KPI under the existing contract so McLaren may be telling him that if he activates it then they will terminate his contract for lack of performance.

cgt2

3,817 posts

168 months

Thursday 2nd June
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They paid Kimi to not race in 2010, I suspect a similar scenario may play out. Either way it will likely cost McLaren a lot but they would hope to offset by bringing in a driver capable of scoring regularly.

Pflanzgarten

780 posts

5 months

Monday 13th June
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Williams to take renault engines and Piastri from 2023.

Rumour to be confirmed at summer break, Latifi will be out.

Sandpit Steve

6,604 posts

54 months

Monday 13th June
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Pflanzgarten said:
Williams to take renault engines and Piastri from 2023.

Rumour to be confirmed at summer break, Latifi will be out.
Ooh, the return of Williams Renault!

However much the French power plant is behind the German one, it will be more than made up for by having one of the brightest young talents in motorsport replacing a very crashy pay-driver.

DanielSan

17,995 posts

147 months

Monday 13th June
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Pflanzgarten said:
Williams to take renault engines and Piastri from 2023.

Rumour to be confirmed at summer break, Latifi will be out.
There's also a less likely yo be true rumour that Latifi doesn't have that long left and may well be out after this weekend.

Joey Deacon

5,743 posts

156 months

Monday 13th June
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Pflanzgarten said:
Williams to take renault engines and Piastri from 2023.

Rumour to be confirmed at summer break, Latifi will be out.
Sounds very likely when you tie it in with Toto Wolf wanting to cut the number of customer engine teams from 3 to 2

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/34003590/toto...

Taking Piastri is definitely the way to go, no matter how much money Latifi brings to the team they are never going to get anywhere all the time he is taking up a seat.

Does this also mean we might get another Clio Williams?

Edited by Joey Deacon on Monday 13th June 20:04

MiniMan64

15,647 posts

170 months

Monday 13th June
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Latifi crash cost vs Latifi contract money?

Sandpit Steve

6,604 posts

54 months

Monday 13th June
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DanielSan said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Williams to take renault engines and Piastri from 2023.

Rumour to be confirmed at summer break, Latifi will be out.
There's also a less likely yo be true rumour that Latifi doesn't have that long left and may well be out after this weekend.
Do it, Williams. Make the change as soon as possible, you won’t regret it.

vaud

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45,392 posts

135 months

Monday 13th June
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With their backing they may not need Latifis money…

InformationSuperHighway

4,714 posts

164 months

Monday 13th June
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vaud said:
With their backing they may not need Latifis money…
We can only hope so. This whole pay to play routine by rich fathers in exchange for placing their sub par sons into seats is doign the sport a disservice.

Plenty of excellent drivers on the sidelines missing out so daddy can live out his racing driver life through their sons.

faa77

1,474 posts

51 months

Tuesday 14th June
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InformationSuperHighway said:
vaud said:
With their backing they may not need Latifis money…
We can only hope so. This whole pay to play routine by rich fathers in exchange for placing their sub par sons into seats is doign the sport a disservice.

Plenty of excellent drivers on the sidelines missing out so daddy can live out his racing driver life through their sons.
100%

StevieBee

11,124 posts

235 months

Tuesday 14th June
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faa77 said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
vaud said:
With their backing they may not need Latifis money…
We can only hope so. This whole pay to play routine by rich fathers in exchange for placing their sub par sons into seats is doign the sport a disservice.

Plenty of excellent drivers on the sidelines missing out so daddy can live out his racing driver life through their sons.
100%
Yep. The one remaining glitch in the whole meritocracy philosophy. I'd like to see a de-coupling of money and progress come into play far further down the ladder.

vulture1

10,281 posts

159 months

Tuesday 14th June
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StevieBee said:
faa77 said:
InformationSuperHighway said:
vaud said:
With their backing they may not need Latifis money…
We can only hope so. This whole pay to play routine by rich fathers in exchange for placing their sub par sons into seats is doign the sport a disservice.

Plenty of excellent drivers on the sidelines missing out so daddy can live out his racing driver life through their sons.
100%
Yep. The one remaining glitch in the whole meritocracy philosophy. I'd like to see a de-coupling of money and progress come into play far further down the ladder.
It should be enough to get you to F2 where you can shine but unfortunately it gets you all the way to the main table at f1. If Mick doesn't up his game too his Name,money, talent won't keep him in f1 much longer. Many a famous name have gone the same way. Bruno Senna, etc. F2 is littered with motorsport names that can't make the jump

faa77

1,474 posts

51 months

Tuesday 14th June
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Callum Ilott looked quite good in F2, but he had to race in the US due to this silly situation.

Joey Deacon

5,743 posts

156 months

Tuesday 14th June
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vulture1 said:
It should be enough to get you to F2 where you can shine but unfortunately it gets you all the way to the main table at f1. If Mick doesn't up his game too his Name,money, talent won't keep him in f1 much longer. Many a famous name have gone the same way. Bruno Senna, etc. F2 is littered with motorsport names that can't make the jump
Latifi, Stroll, Zhou Guanyu and Schumacher stand out to me as the four drivers who are most out or their depth. It looks like Latifi is finally done, how long will the teams give Guanyu and Schumacher before calling it a day?

Unfortunately Stroll's dad bought him a team so he could quite easily be causing carnage for another 15+ years.

vaud

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45,392 posts

135 months

Tuesday 14th June
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Zhou was having a great race in Baku.

entropy

4,789 posts

183 months

Tuesday 14th June
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Joey Deacon said:
Latifi, Stroll, Zhou Guanyu and Schumacher stand out to me as the four drivers who are most out or their depth. It looks like Latifi is finally done, how long will the teams give Guanyu and Schumacher before calling it a day?
Only Latifi I would say looks out of his depth. Mick, Stroll, and Zhou are solid F1 drivers, midfielders. Stroll had the benefit of money and time to improve otherwise he would have been gone by now.

I must admit to being impressed by Zhou. I was expecting him to be out of his depth by having spins and causing accidents.

McAndy

9,978 posts

157 months

Tuesday 14th June
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Agreed. Zhou has been quietly solid. Impressively so, given the lack of incidents (like a certain Mr Tsunoda last year).

the-norseman

9,578 posts

151 months

Tuesday 14th June
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I'm a Mick fan still hoping he can get it together this season, but is it as easy as HAAS saying that is it pal your out? He's an FDA driver, Ferrari must be paying for him to be there somehow, HAAS get rid of him HAAS will loose either payment or support or something surely.


vulture1

10,281 posts

159 months

Tuesday 14th June
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Zhou is Chinese and that market is sought after for F1 so will be in for a good while