Discussion
gt_12345 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Hey, you complain about Schiff and Patrick, I've just listened to the BBC Chequered Flag Podcast Bahrain Review and Sam Bird was on there saying Lando was having to come in repeatedly to fill up with fuel 
Ferrari WEC driver?markbigears said:
Sky, like all the other TV outlets across the world, take the live FOM feed broadcast from Biggin Hill. Then just tack their own presenters in to their particular TV program for transmission.
So yes , they get the same pictures with their own presenters in vision.
Okay but saying Danika is on Sky to appeal to US viewers, when US viewers have a different channel with different presenters, is a bit...... wrong.So yes , they get the same pictures with their own presenters in vision.
LukeBrown66 said:
Maybe Danica doesn't know much, what is wrong with that? I certainly dont care. She is not going to turn the gig down is she!
In the first two races she did with Sky she didn't answer questions and instead goes off on a tangent waffling on with bulls
t answers. In Miami last year both Button and Lazenby were often left visibly bemused. Pundits should give insightful answers relating to the relevant sport/category. I remember years ago Martin Johnson was makeshift Superbowl pundit and all he kept going on about was relating to winning the Rugby World Cup.
HustleRussell said:
HighwayStar said:
Danica really doesn’t offer much considering the experience she has imo… she’s not said a thing that I didn’t already know. Apart from that I don’t have a strong opinion on whether either of them should be there or not.
Maybe she's not there 'for' you? Maybe she's there to represent newcomers to the sport, offer an 'outsider's' perspective, and to be a familiar face for F1's growing US audience?The job of a presenter / anchor / pundit is mostly to ask questions which they generally already know the answer to.
Sandpit Steve said:
HighwayStar said:
Danica is a strange on for me. She should be a great addition with her experience but…. From what I’ve seen of her on Sky, I expected way more from her. Her questions to drivers post race and contribution to the conversations, as a racer herself, I found disappointing. Apart from that, that’s she’s easy on the eye and I’m not fussed enough to wish her gone.
Danica comes across as someone who only ever watches F1 when she’s going to be working there, and spends the week beforehand binge-watching the last half-dozen races. She doesn’t have the level of detail that would be expected from someone following the season closely. Fantastic pundit for the Indy 500 though.
I wonder if she could tell you how many cars are on the grid."Danica, come present our F1 coverage"
"Yeah nah guys I know like s
t all about that""We don't care just come and swan about and take our $$$"
"Seriously guys greta thundberg probably gets it better than I do"
"S'all good babe these mugs listen to David croft they'll suck up anything"
"Sweet"
maz8062 said:
The hate is just oozing out of your pores. It’s funny that you even give a st about a young woman that is given barely a handful of words to say in near 3 hours and 3 days of F1 coverage. It’s for people like you that she’s on the telly looking beautiful, glamourous and making sense. It irks you and that’s just fine.
Honest observations is not hate... Other members of the Sky team get worse said despite being far superior. Yet a certain someone is untouchable for reasons you can't even bring yourself to admit.t about a young woman that is given barely a handful of words to say in near 3 hours and 3 days of F1 coverage. It’s for people like you that she’s on the telly looking beautiful, glamourous and making sense. It irks you and that’s just fine. It irks me that I am paying a premium for Sky Sports yet stuck with a worse product than even ITV provided on a much smaller budget. A useless buffoon as a main commentator, pundits that either have no recent experience or none at all.
AlexRS2782 said:
Just checked their post history - apart from 1 or 2 posts elsewhere on PH, everything else they've posted has been solely devoted to posting on threads about Jamie Chadwick, Naomi Schiff & W-Series for the last 2 or 3 years - they must have really got under his skin for that much commitment and dedication to a cause 
Looks like they even stopped posting during the closed season for F1 and then bang on time for the first weekend they're straight back to it
I post very sporadically on here, mainly due to work related communication issues.. I suppose you frequently post on threads you have little interest in do you, since you are personally attacking me.Looks like they even stopped posting during the closed season for F1 and then bang on time for the first weekend they're straight back to it
I notice neither yourself or maz8062 actually rebutted anything I said, you merely attacked me and not my argument. That speaks louder than words ever could.
Edited by Peacockantony on Thursday 9th March 00:05
HighwayStar said:
Danica is a strange on for me. She should be a great addition with her experience but…. From what I’ve seen of her on Sky, I expected way more from her. Her questions to drivers post race and contribution to the conversations, as a racer herself, I found disappointing. Apart from that, that’s she’s easy on the eye and I’m not fussed enough to wish her gone.
Danica is a token yank. So you expect the usual ignorant yank bks of saying a lot without saying anything of worth. It is expected. It is the norm over there were image is more important than value. At least Danica has some high level motorsport experience and is not merely a rich girl that spent her daddy's money playing at it without any success at all.Sandpit Steve said:
Danica comes across as someone who only ever watches F1 when she’s going to be working there, and spends the week beforehand binge-watching the last half-dozen races. She doesn’t have the level of detail that would be expected from someone following the season closely.
Fantastic pundit for the Indy 500 though.
The female American version of David 'dad lad banter' Croft.Fantastic pundit for the Indy 500 though.
Peacockantony said:
maz8062 said:
The hate is just oozing out of your pores. It’s funny that you even give a st about a young woman that is given barely a handful of words to say in near 3 hours and 3 days of F1 coverage. It’s for people like you that she’s on the telly looking beautiful, glamourous and making sense. It irks you and that’s just fine.
Honest observations is not hate... Other members of the Sky team get worse said despite being far superior. Yet a certain someone is untouchable for reasons you can't even bring yourself to admit.t about a young woman that is given barely a handful of words to say in near 3 hours and 3 days of F1 coverage. It’s for people like you that she’s on the telly looking beautiful, glamourous and making sense. It irks you and that’s just fine. It irks me that I am paying a premium for Sky Sports yet stuck with a worse product than even ITV provided on a much smaller budget. A useless buffoon as a main commentator, pundits that either have no recent experience or none at all.
AlexRS2782 said:
Just checked their post history - apart from 1 or 2 posts elsewhere on PH, everything else they've posted has been solely devoted to posting on threads about Jamie Chadwick, Naomi Schiff & W-Series for the last 2 or 3 years - they must have really got under his skin for that much commitment and dedication to a cause
Looks like they even stopped posting during the closed season for F1 and then bang on time for the first weekend they're straight back to it
I post very sporadically on here, mainly due to work related communication issues.. I suppose you frequently post on threads you have little interest in do you, since you are personally attacking me.Looks like they even stopped posting during the closed season for F1 and then bang on time for the first weekend they're straight back to it
I notice neither yourself or maz8062 actually rebutted anything I said, you merely attacked me and not my argument. That speaks louder than words ever could.
Edited by Peacockantony on Thursday 9th March 00:05
Your post was full of hate, vitriol even - why exactly? If you take tv that seriously do something else and be happy.
Let s be honest
AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
LukeBrown66 said:
Let s be honest
AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
So it’s fine to put sub-standard pundits in (ie never driven in a feeder series and NEVER driven an F1 car) because you as a media provider need to fulfil some made up woke bullsAS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
t requirement whilst your charging 3 times the F1TV subscription rate!LukeBrown66 said:
Let s be honest
AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
Who puts them under pressure? Their own warped ideas. No-one else cares.AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
Once you strip away all the hysteria over race and skin colour, the real division lines in society are along economic and class lines. Anyone who gets to play at being a race car driver for years is the definition of privileged, to appoint her thinking she represents anything else just shows how out of touch and tiny minded those who make this crud up are. It's an insult to both ms. Schiff and those they think she represents.
F1 should insist that Sky don't have a monopoly and allow us to choose who we want to watch F1 with…..
Sky might suddenly realise what a load of crap they’re showing.
I record all the pre-race stuff and fast forward through the crap… including everytime Schiff opens her gob. Not because of any woke bullst but because she hasnt got anything to say that I don’t know already….
I know why we dont have any choice… it’s like all sports now where the rights get bought up and then locked behind a pay-per-view firewall and you get what your given and have no choice. Problem is you have to start picking and choosing what you watch live because you cant afford every streaming service which is bad for the sponsors…
Sky might suddenly realise what a load of crap they’re showing.
I record all the pre-race stuff and fast forward through the crap… including everytime Schiff opens her gob. Not because of any woke bulls
t but because she hasnt got anything to say that I don’t know already….I know why we dont have any choice… it’s like all sports now where the rights get bought up and then locked behind a pay-per-view firewall and you get what your given and have no choice. Problem is you have to start picking and choosing what you watch live because you cant afford every streaming service which is bad for the sponsors…
super7 said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Let s be honest
AS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
So it’s fine to put sub-standard pundits in (ie never driven in a feeder series and NEVER driven an F1 car) because you as a media provider need to fulfil some made up woke bullsAS a media outlet you are under considerable pressure to be inclusive.
Far more so than an F1 team, or again its driver lineup.
If you want to include someone who has f1 knowledge, fine, a journalist, but you have those already, what about someone who has driven in f1 or feeder series, that is a very difficult field to snare a driver from, Susie is the best candidate but far too biased to get the job.
You see the issue? You are picking from a very thin field, just like trying to promote female talent in motorsport,
Her driving was not impressive against guys, but is she OK on camera, I don't know I don't watch, does she tick boxes, well yes she is mixed race and she drove racing cars, can talk happily about the sport and has clearly made a career decision to do this role.
You can argue all you want about the whys, but when you are a huge media outlet you are under pressure to not just pick people, for their knowledge.
t requirement whilst your charging 3 times the F1TV subscription rate!super7 said:
F1 should insist that Sky don't have a monopoly and allow us to choose who we want to watch F1 with…..
Sky might suddenly realise what a load of crap they’re showing.
I record all the pre-race stuff and fast forward through the crap… including everytime Schiff opens her gob. Not because of any woke bullst but because she hasnt got anything to say that I don’t know already….
I know why we dont have any choice… it’s like all sports now where the rights get bought up and then locked behind a pay-per-view firewall and you get what your given and have no choice. Problem is you have to start picking and choosing what you watch live because you cant afford every streaming service which is bad for the sponsors…
Liberty want Sky's cash. They don't particularly care about reach and eyes on, although the teams and their sponsors do. Why would liberty insist on freedom of choice for much, much less money?Sky might suddenly realise what a load of crap they’re showing.
I record all the pre-race stuff and fast forward through the crap… including everytime Schiff opens her gob. Not because of any woke bulls
t but because she hasnt got anything to say that I don’t know already….I know why we dont have any choice… it’s like all sports now where the rights get bought up and then locked behind a pay-per-view firewall and you get what your given and have no choice. Problem is you have to start picking and choosing what you watch live because you cant afford every streaming service which is bad for the sponsors…
When Karun joined the Sky F1 team I remember saying he wasn't quite polished, but given some time, would be a good presenter.
Nowadays I love his insights and analysis. He's someone I look forward to seeing on screen.
WRT Naomi - I think she's at the "not quite polished" stage right now - but her target audience isn't the analysis type stuff that Karun does. I saw her in a few social media videos with drivers and other (more established) personalities. She's clearly targetting the younger crowd, who like the not-so-serious side of F1 and can associate with their favourite streamers/pundits etc.
I don't think it's a problem. F1 has to appeal to all audiences, so having someone on screen the next generation can associate with, purely by "here's this streamer, here's a tiktok challenge, blahblah" - well, that's how you keep the kids engaged. Liberty, for whatever you can fault them for, are doing a good job of engaging viewers and getting audiences. I'm part of the YouTube generation and I fell out of love with F1 for a few years when Bernie's regime made sure that nothing was shared on social media. Hiding it all behind your parents' paywall made sure that a lot of 25-30 year olds these days don't care for the sport, because why would they care about something they couldn't watch?
Given some time I think Naomi will find her feet in the role. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the light-hearted side of F1. Arguably some drivers are already in that mindset.
Nowadays I love his insights and analysis. He's someone I look forward to seeing on screen.
WRT Naomi - I think she's at the "not quite polished" stage right now - but her target audience isn't the analysis type stuff that Karun does. I saw her in a few social media videos with drivers and other (more established) personalities. She's clearly targetting the younger crowd, who like the not-so-serious side of F1 and can associate with their favourite streamers/pundits etc.
I don't think it's a problem. F1 has to appeal to all audiences, so having someone on screen the next generation can associate with, purely by "here's this streamer, here's a tiktok challenge, blahblah" - well, that's how you keep the kids engaged. Liberty, for whatever you can fault them for, are doing a good job of engaging viewers and getting audiences. I'm part of the YouTube generation and I fell out of love with F1 for a few years when Bernie's regime made sure that nothing was shared on social media. Hiding it all behind your parents' paywall made sure that a lot of 25-30 year olds these days don't care for the sport, because why would they care about something they couldn't watch?
Given some time I think Naomi will find her feet in the role. I'm looking forward to seeing more of the light-hearted side of F1. Arguably some drivers are already in that mindset.
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