Official 2022 Canadian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

[majordad]

Less CO2 maybe, but way more Bullst.

[anonymous-user]

majordad said:

Less CO2 maybe, but way more Bullst.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[McAndy]

Well, that race was just about interesting enough. My thoughts:

- Shame for Mick, he was running strongly.
- Zhou impressed once again.
- I held out hope for Carlos, but I think that deep down I knew that Max would hold out.
- I think Mercedes' claim of having fixed their porpoising will come back to haunt them.
- What on Earth happened to Lando?
- Felt sorry for 'Nando.
- Something tells me Max is going to be feeling quite relaxed for the remainder of the season.

[Hungrymc]

silentbrown said:

Hungrymc said:

And no defensive moves at all. I guess they decided they were in a different race

He's got a lot more confidence in the brakes/tires. The pass happens entirely in the braking zone, so the only defense is to commit to a much tighter line in the hairpin, which sacrifices speed all down that long straight.

Yep, that would be how to defend a pass down the inside on the brakes. If they actually believed they were racing George they would have taken a tight line and maybe played some games at the apex. If however, as I think was the case, they decided they weren’t racing him then they wouldn’t compromise their own lap by having the battle.

[Adrian W]

McAndy said:

- I think Mercedes' claim of having fixed their porpoising will come back to haunt them.

When did they claim that?

[Teppic]

Adrian W said:

McAndy said:

- I think Mercedes' claim of having fixed their porpoising will come back to haunt them.

When did they claim that?

Yesterday.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-claims...

[Adrian W]

Teppic said:

Adrian W said:

McAndy said:

- I think Mercedes' claim of having fixed their porpoising will come back to haunt them.

When did they claim that?

Yesterday.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-claims...

I think maybe a bit of syndicated journalistic licence there

[RB Will]

Didnt one of the Merc team guys, can remember if it was Toto or a technical guy say in an interview last week or so they have sorted the dolphins and the boucing now is due to how they have done that, by making the suspension rock hard.

[HustleRussell]

I would take whatever Mercedes are saying regarding the issue with a pinch of salt, and all the other teams for that matter. There are a lot of agendas going on with the rules being developed to measure and limit the impact on the drivers. It may suit Mercedes to distract from their pronounced porpoising issue and emphasise that the drivers are being impacted by a 'bouncing' issue caused by the circuits and kerbs- an issue which is universal to all teams.

[Sandpit Steve]

RB Will said:

Didnt one of the Merc team guys, can remember if it was Toto or a technical guy say in an interview last week or so they have sorted the dolphins and the boucing now is due to how they have done that, by making the suspension rock hard.

Pretty much, yes. James Allison (Technical Director) also mentioned it in the Baku debrief video. The porpoising was caused by aerodynamic effects, the bouncing is caused by the suspension being very stiff, even on rough street circuits, to stop the aerodynamic effects, although they can look similar to the naked eye.

[NRS]

Derek Smith said:

MV was pushing it. We all saw him squirming coming out of some corners. He was on his limit, but CS had no problems staying with him without sliding anywhere near as much. The disturbed air could not have helped through the corners, but I couldn't see any obvious problem for him.

The RB was faster down the straights, quite comfortably so, almost negating the drag reduction available to CS.

It stands to reason that the Ferrari was capable of lapping faster than the RB, but could not overtake as it was slower along the straights. That said, he was within 0.2 secs of the RB on occasion, that's on entering the final chicane and at the end of the start/finish straight.

I'm convinced that the Ferrari was faster, and had it been Charles getting that close, he'd have had a serious go at passing MV. I doubt he would have got past, not without damage, but it would have given us a lot more to talk about. And Horner as well.

If CS was within 0.2 seconds (I don't remember that being the case) then how would it have mattered if it was Charles? All it is is a drag race and braking. The drag race is just getting on the throttle and letting the car give it's maximum performance - the driver has basically no impact on that. I never saw a time were CS was close enough to brake late and challenge Max - he'd just have crashed into him/ disappeared off the side of the track if he had. Maybe it would work against a conservative braker, but Max will give very little margin to brake later than him without a massive risk of completely getting it wrong.

[HustleRussell]

Derek Smith said:

C70R said:

HustleRussell said:

This season everyone seems to have decided that Sainz is a mug, but that's not the case on past evidence. Sainz' potential is much closer to Leclerc's than we have seen in the previous rounds of this season, and we must consider the possibility that Sainz ultimately delivered the maximum result for Ferrari yesterday. Verstappen pole was never in doubt and it didn't look like 'a Ferrari' was going to be overtaking 'a Red Bull' at this circuit on this weekend.

Given that Leclerc was struggling to get past the midfield, I think we can safely say that Ferrari didn't have the best package out there.

I'm not sure that can be used as a reason for suggesting the Ferrari was slower than the RB.

Leclerc struggled in the race at times, and I'm not sure why. After a couple of overtakes, he slowed a bit, with the overtaken car being able to stay within a couple of seconds of his car. He'd then turn up the wick and he'd close the next gap. Was it husbanding tyres or battery management? I don't know enough to say, but it seemed odd on the day.

In any queue of traffic, the slowest car is often at the front. MV and CS circulated within DRS for the majority of the 14 final laps, yet, on occasion, CS would drop back out of DRS, although I can't remember any bigger gap than 1.7 secs. He was always able to reduce the gap to DRS within one lap, and from what I can remember, well within. He dropped back after taking a look or for charging. I wondered if temperatures were coming into play because he was hammering the brakes. Whatever, we're talking about over half a second a lap.

MV was pushing it. We all saw him squirming coming out of some corners. He was on his limit, but CS had no problems staying with him without sliding anywhere near as much. The disturbed air could not have helped through the corners, but I couldn't see any obvious problem for him.

The RB was faster down the straights, quite comfortably so, almost negating the drag reduction available to CS.

It stands to reason that the Ferrari was capable of lapping faster than the RB, but could not overtake as it was slower along the straights. That said, he was within 0.2 secs of the RB on occasion, that's on entering the final chicane and at the end of the start/finish straight.

I'm convinced that the Ferrari was faster, and had it been Charles getting that close, he'd have had a serious go at passing MV. I doubt he would have got past, not without damage, but it would have given us a lot more to talk about. And Horner as well.

We saw Leclerc struggling with uncharacteristically bad traction on corner exit. Apparently Ferrari put a low drag setup on Leclerc to help him through the pack but it had the unintended consequence of destroying the Ferrari's normally very good traction.

Both Ferraris so good on the brakes though. Their mechanical setup must be excellent.

[antspants]

cc3 said:

vaud said:

cc3 said:

Need to change rules so that you can’t use DRS every lap to stop the mid field DRS boring chain

We don't need any more rules changes yet. Let's get a season's worth of data first. Changing the DRS zones is more probable.

Mind you, even with DRS and newer tyres, Sainz couldn't pass Max, so I'm not sure a mass change to reduce DRS use would help?

Just give them 30 opportunities to use DRS in a race

This or something like it. For instance the Touring cars have restricted hybrid use (replacing previous ballast) so front runners have less laps to use hybrid power than those behind them. They also have restricted use in qualifying based on championship standings at the time.

It's a difficult one though, imo the fastest car with the fastest driver should win. But, the DRS trains are becoming rather tedious and needs something to change for next season.

I enjoyed this race after turning off the previous one part way through. The early vsc mixed up tyre strategies and added some interest from start to finish, plus an exciting end after the safety car. After thinking I might be moving towards just watching highlight shows after Baku I'm glad I persevered.

The criticism of Carlos seems unfair and unfounded. He'd be getting far more stick if he'd taken a massive lunge and ended up with a dnf or losing a bunch of places. He's had 3 retirements already, 2nd place was a good result for him and the team.

[Byker28i]

silentbrown said:

Hungrymc said:

And no defensive moves at all. I guess they decided they were in a different race

He's got a lot more confidence in the brakes/tires. The pass happens entirely in the braking zone, so the only defense is to commit to a much tighter line in the hairpin, which sacrifices speed all down that long straight.

Russel's the new Ricardo? Someone has to be as it's no longer Ricardo...

[honda_exige]

Looks like it's all kicking off with Renault, Ferrari and RB being convinced that the FIA 'illegally' tipped off Merc about the incoming rule changes pre-canada.

[SturdyHSV]

As I understand things, the TD introduced an allowance to run a second stay to support the floor, which Merc already had on their car when they turned up?

May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway

[honda_exige]

SturdyHSV said:

As I understand things, the TD introduced an allowance to run a second stay to support the floor, which Merc already had on their car when they turned up?

May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway

Pretty much + the 2nd stay allowance alleged to specifically help Merc, Toto apparently very upset on the meeting with the DTS cameras running lol.

And on top of that, other teams hinting the leak went via a Mercedes high up who just left and went to work for the FIA

[vaud]

Or Merc had requested an extra stay with the recommended attachment points and built one "just in case" and took the risk - it wouldn't have been expensive?

[Sandpit Steve]

SturdyHSV said:

As I understand things, the TD introduced an allowance to run a second stay to support the floor, which Merc already had on their car when they turned up?

May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway

IIRC, one of the teams (Alfa Romeo?) ran a second stay in Baku, which was mentioned in the FIA article about the TD. This was from where Mercedes got the idea, rather than being tipped off by the FIA.

[Byker28i]

Sandpit Steve said:

SturdyHSV said:

As I understand things, the TD introduced an allowance to run a second stay to support the floor, which Merc already had on their car when they turned up?

May have got the wrong end of the stick of the timeline wrong though, I'm sure Netflix will have caught the action anyway

IIRC, one of the teams (Alfa Romeo?) ran a second stay in Baku, which was mentioned in the FIA article about the TD. This was from where Mercedes got the idea, rather than being tipped off by the FIA.

vaud said:

Or Merc had requested an extra stay with the recommended attachment points and built one "just in case" and took the risk - it wouldn't have been expensive?

A combination of these. Easy to remove if it wasn't allowed...