Masi gone from F1

Masi gone from F1

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mick987

936 posts

90 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Give it a couple of months and he will be RedBulls head of sales for Asia

ChocolateFrog

17,526 posts

153 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Good.

Gross incompetence should not be rewarded with a sideways move.

He's lucky to get out under his own terms.

Ta-ra, you won't be missed.

kambites

64,859 posts

201 months

Tuesday 12th July
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jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.

jm doc

2,138 posts

212 months

Tuesday 12th July
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kambites said:
jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.
There was a way to do that within the rules. What he did was stop the race for everyone except Hamilton and Max, at the direct request of Horner and completely outwith the rules. I still think there should be a criminal investigation. It's happened in football at the very highest levels, Champions league finals with referees who have been bribed.

TheDeuce

14,933 posts

46 months

Tuesday 12th July
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jm doc said:
kambites said:
jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.
There was a way to do that within the rules. What he did was stop the race for everyone except Hamilton and Max, at the direct request of Horner and completely outwith the rules. I still think there should be a criminal investigation. It's happened in football at the very highest levels, Champions league finals with referees who have been bribed.
Quite.

He took it upon himself to throw out the established restart procedure and be influenced by Horner and/or just make up his own solution 'for the show'. I can't believe how stupid/arrogant a man has to be to not simply stick to established procedure at such a critical moment.

An absolute disgrace and a very poor reflection on his character after years of training and preparation for the role from Charlie.

Further arrogance was shown by not simply pissing off when he lost his role. How the hell did he think he could survive happily in an organisation that still receives daily mocking for it's fecklessness, largely because of AD 21'. I'm sure he has been paid off - that's just normal these days and in terms of employment law he didn't do anything wrong. I just can't believe he or anyone else thought it was a good idea to wait until now to part company.

Ah well, all done now. I'm glad his chapter is over.

HustleRussell

22,018 posts

140 months

Tuesday 12th July
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I wish him well but I’d gladly never hear about him again.

Muzzer79

6,661 posts

167 months

Tuesday 12th July
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jm doc said:
kambites said:
jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.
There was a way to do that within the rules. What he did was stop the race for everyone except Hamilton and Max, at the direct request of Horner and completely outwith the rules. I still think there should be a criminal investigation. It's happened in football at the very highest levels, Champions league finals with referees who have been bribed.
Whilst I agree that he has no place in the sport, let’s keep our feet on the ground……criminal investigation?

There’s absolutely no suggestion anywhere of anything other than incompetence on Masi’s part, potentially also weakness in respect of being influenced by competitors. Comparing it with corruption is false, with the information on hand.

To use your football analogy, he was a referee who called a penalty kick outrageously wrongly, after being influenced by a couple of players on the pitch. He was not a referee taking brown envelopes.


Nova Gyna

266 posts

6 months

Tuesday 12th July
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HustleRussell said:
I wish him well but I’d gladly never hear about him again.
I agree with you. Unfortunately I think his name will be bandied around for some time to come.

MCBrowncoat

491 posts

126 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Muzzer79 said:
jm doc said:
kambites said:
jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.
There was a way to do that within the rules. What he did was stop the race for everyone except Hamilton and Max, at the direct request of Horner and completely outwith the rules. I still think there should be a criminal investigation. It's happened in football at the very highest levels, Champions league finals with referees who have been bribed.
Whilst I agree that he has no place in the sport, let’s keep our feet on the ground……criminal investigation?

There’s absolutely no suggestion anywhere of anything other than incompetence on Masi’s part, potentially also weakness in respect of being influenced by competitors. Comparing it with corruption is false, with the information on hand.

To use your football analogy, he was a referee who called a penalty kick outrageously wrongly, after being influenced by a couple of players on the pitch. He was not a referee taking brown envelopes.
Hmm, more like a referee who called a penalty kick in the 95th minute in front of an open goal, after being influenced by a manager on the touchline

coyft

5,305 posts

191 months

Tuesday 12th July
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GCH said:
Michael..... it's called a P45.


Good riddance.
laugh

Olivera

5,618 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th July
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He fked up majorly in the final race, but I also have some sympathy. Allowing teams to directly contact, lobby and pressure the race director during the race was very much a flawed system.

FourWheelDrift

84,936 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Did he let 5 people go before him?

jm doc

2,138 posts

212 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Muzzer79 said:
jm doc said:
kambites said:
jm doc said:
Explain how he is a scapegoat? Are you saying the FIA told him to "fix" the AD race for Max to win? :
I wouldn't be surprised if he was told to to everything he could to make sure the race finished under green-flag conditions and/or that if there was a way to make the race close at the end to take it.
There was a way to do that within the rules. What he did was stop the race for everyone except Hamilton and Max, at the direct request of Horner and completely outwith the rules. I still think there should be a criminal investigation. It's happened in football at the very highest levels, Champions league finals with referees who have been bribed.
Whilst I agree that he has no place in the sport, let’s keep our feet on the ground……criminal investigation?

There’s absolutely no suggestion anywhere of anything other than incompetence on Masi’s part, potentially also weakness in respect of being influenced by competitors. Comparing it with corruption is false, with the information on hand.

To use your football analogy, he was a referee who called a penalty kick outrageously wrongly, after being influenced by a couple of players on the pitch. He was not a referee taking brown envelopes.
Some quite breathtaking assumptions in there.

This wasn't incompetence, he knew the rules intimately, he broke them. Just on betting alone, there were millions of pounds lost to innocent punters, (not me!), never mind the money spent by the the team attempting to win. Why would someone deliberately do that? Corruption cannot be ruled out and should be rooted out. As I said, it's happened before at the very highest levels of sport, why would F1 be immune?

There are several football analogies, none of which involve making a wrong judgement call which is the typical claim by Masi apologists. An example might be changing the rules towards the end of a game, deciding for instance to let the team that was losing have 12 men on the pitch for the last five minutes and the other team being reduced to eight.

This was an extreme event and should have been investigated by the appropriate authorities.



jm doc

2,138 posts

212 months

Tuesday 12th July
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FourWheelDrift said:
Did he let 5 people go before him?
laugh

TheDeuce

14,933 posts

46 months

Tuesday 12th July
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jm doc said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Did he let 5 people go before him?
laugh
Have another, that was good laugh

carl_w

7,759 posts

238 months

Tuesday 12th July
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TheDeuce said:
jm doc said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Did he let 5 people go before him?
laugh
Have another, that was good laugh
If only Sniffpetrol hadn't posted it on Twitter earlier today.

Hungrymc

6,050 posts

117 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Am sure this has been the plan all along, shuffle out of the lime light, let the dust settle then get rid.

I think it’s all been said, his behaviour at AD was appalling. Even the contrasting tone he took with the teams (one of which was only pushing him to apply the normal rules). He had to go, the FIA just wanted ti do it in a way that would avoid turning the heat up on the whole thing.

vdn

8,700 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th July
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Bye bye.

Reality is, he was got rid of ages ago... Max's title will forever sport the *

This year looks to be his first, actual, WDC.

Chamon_Lee

3,098 posts

127 months

Wednesday 13th July
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paulguitar said:
Frimley111R said:
Jasandjules said:
Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.
Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner frown
The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.
This quite nicely sums up the difference between the two camps. I doesn’t matter to me what drivers were involved it’s the injustice that happened which felt so wrong.

Personally it’s baffling when people say well it was allowed so it’s ok or there was nothing wrong at all with it. Shows more about them than people realise.

PhilAsia

1,340 posts

55 months

Wednesday 13th July
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Chamon_Lee said:
paulguitar said:
Frimley111R said:
Jasandjules said:
Looks like a pay off to me... Still, at least he is gone, pretty much cements Max's title as being false.
Indeed but it doesn't hand it to the rightful winner frown
The rightful winner will never be 2021 WDC 'officially', but anyone with at least a cursory understanding of racing knows the truth. There will forever be some who are okay with the debacle because it gave the WDC* to 'their' driver, but that's a report on their own standards of integrity. And not a good one.
This quite nicely sums up the difference between the two camps. I doesn’t matter to me what drivers were involved it’s the injustice that happened which felt so wrong.

Personally it’s baffling when people say well it was allowed so it’s ok or there was nothing wrong at all with it. Shows more about them than people realise.
Ivan Fernandez, running in second place, realised the leader Abel Mutai had stopped before the finish line. He did something he could live with as a "sportsman" with integrity.