Masi gone from F1
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Muzzer79 said:
911r said:
Muzzer79 said:
911r said:
Muzzer79 said:
coyft said:
Muzzer79 said:
So, unless you get the explanation that you feel Masi owes you, then the abusive messages he's been receiving are justified?
Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.
Yes, I think that about sums up my attitude. Bit like Boris Johnson partying in Downing Street. Actions have consequences. Don’t behave like a Astonishing attitude. I thought PH was better than this.
if you don’t want to be called one.That sort of mistake ?
Also just so you know this is how many people Masi f
ked over at the BARE minimum . More than 950 employees work 24 hours a day, seven days a week on the Brackley site (merc f1)
I’m interested what would you say to Masi if you had the chance ? Written warning for his “mistake” at work ? Or just a verbal warning ?
Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:05
Edited by 911r on Monday 1st August 12:06
I think what you and several others are mistaking is that it doesn't matter what the error was at work, it doesn't warrant hundreds of people piling on and sending abusive and threatening messages, including death threats.
It was a car race. He messed up. It affected a lot of people. But he didn't commit mass murder FFS.
911r said:
I think you need to put this in perspective
The irony is so thick.....Are you one of those people who don’t put their hand up when they f
ked up ? a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.
b) Containing clauses that say he can't acknowledge the mistakes that were made. Because publicly doing puts the '21 championship officially in question, rather than just morally, and F1 wants to move on.
So, whilst I'm sure he'd like to explain the events of that day, he can't. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that he doesn't deserve online abuse.
But he can also shut the f
k up and not resurface for the rest of his days . PhilAsia said:
Lewis had 40 lap old hard tyres
Max had brand new soft tyres
WTF did any reasonably intelligent person expect to happen with tyres that were 3 seconds a lap quicker?
2021 WDC
Farce...
I expect that with very little time on his hands, Toto shouting in one ear and Horner in the other it was a very stressful situation and he didn't have time to sit there and think about who is on what tyres and how long they have been on them and how that may effect things.Max had brand new soft tyres
WTF did any reasonably intelligent person expect to happen with tyres that were 3 seconds a lap quicker?
2021 WDC
Farce...
I'm not agreeing with the way things went down but I can appreciate the poor guy was probably just doing his best in a mega stressful situation. I don't think he did anything maliciously and don't think he deserves all the abuse he is getting.
I very much expect if it had been the other way around this all would have been forgotten about on here months ago and people wouldn't be saying Hamilton WDC x8*
I recall before the final race last season that a lot of rhetoric along the lines of 'let them race' came out of the FIA/Merc/Red Bull, probably as a result of discussions between all parties. Was it ever revealed what was discussed, and whether this put undue influence and pressure on Masi?
RB Will said:
I very much expect if it had been the other way around this all would have been forgotten about on here months ago and people wouldn't be saying Hamilton WDC x8*
It's really sad that you think that. I'd have been appalled if Lewis or any other driver had 'won' the title that way, and I suspect so would many people who post here.It's mostly about what was done to the sport, not particularly which drivers were involved.
coyft said:
Muzzer79 said:
I don't know the details of Masi's NDA. However, I would put strong money on it
a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.
b) Containing clauses that say he can't acknowledge the mistakes that were made. Because publicly doing puts the '21 championship officially in question, rather than just morally, and F1 wants to move on.
So, whilst I'm sure he'd like to explain the events of that day, he can't. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that he doesn't deserve online abuse.
Serious question when does someone deserve abuse? How about a best mate that shags your wife? Is it ok to call him a a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.
b) Containing clauses that say he can't acknowledge the mistakes that were made. Because publicly doing puts the '21 championship officially in question, rather than just morally, and F1 wants to move on.
So, whilst I'm sure he'd like to explain the events of that day, he can't. Regardless, the crux of the matter is that he doesn't deserve online abuse.
in public?!So, the grown up answer is never.
The answer probably isn't as black and white as that - humans are emotional.
However, it sure as hell isn't because someone calls a car race, or any other sporting event, wrong and you're throwing a tantrum about it.
And racist abuse is never acceptable.
Muzzer79 said:
a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.
RB Will said:
I very much expect if it had been the other way around this all would have been forgotten about on here months ago and people wouldn't be saying Hamilton WDC x8*
lots of projection going on in this thread ...dont judge us all by your own lofty standardsMuzzer79 said:
Calling someone out in public for shagging your wife is different from sitting behind a keyboard in your Mum's basement typing out racist abuse and death threats.
So, the grown up answer is never.
The answer probably isn't as black and white as that - humans are emotional.
However, it sure as hell isn't because someone calls a car race, or any other sporting event, wrong and you're throwing a tantrum about it.
And racist abuse is never acceptable.
I’ve already stated that threats and racial abuse are never acceptable. But a bit of “cheating toe rag” is to be expected if you don’t explain your actions.So, the grown up answer is never.
The answer probably isn't as black and white as that - humans are emotional.
However, it sure as hell isn't because someone calls a car race, or any other sporting event, wrong and you're throwing a tantrum about it.
And racist abuse is never acceptable.
angrymoby said:
Muzzer79 said:
a) Being pretty requisite for him to sign from a financial perspective. And all of you people on your moral high horse would do exactly the same.
lots of projection going on in this thread ...dont judge us all by your own lofty standardsAbout to be turned out of a job you've spent years doing, with no other outwardly obvious similar alternative (it's not like you can go to the 'other' F1) with the same terms.
You are offered a settlement agreement to cover the financial damage but you turn it down so you can tell your story in the Daily Mail?
Please......
Olivera said:
I recall before the final race last season that a lot of rhetoric along the lines of 'let them race' came out of the FIA/Merc/Red Bull, probably as a result of discussions between all parties. Was it ever revealed what was discussed, and whether this put undue influence and pressure on Masi?
only quote i've seen is from Zak Brown regarding the teams agreeing to not having the race finish under a SC 'at all costs' ...but afaiaa nothing was rubber stamped& even then it paints Masi in a piss poor light- because 'at all costs' suggests he's agreeing rather than pushing back that the number one priority being the 'show' rather than what his actual priorities were- spectator & marshal & driver safety, then the race
RB Will said:
I very much expect if it had been the other way around this all would have been forgotten about on here months ago and people wouldn't be saying Hamilton WDC x8*
That's about as good a prediction as those which were saying that everybody would've gotten over the 2021 controversy by the start of the 2022 season. That is what Formula 1 'the organisation' appeared to be counting on anyway, putting the report into Abu Dhabi off until the eve of the new season. Lest we forget Ben Sulayem's ill-advised attempt to blame the viewers for 'misunderstanding'. A sport trying to gaslight most of its fanbase. Muzzer79 said:
Lol.
About to be turned out of a job you've spent years doing, with no other outwardly obvious similar alternative (it's not like you can go to the 'other' F1) with the same terms.
You are offered a settlement agreement to cover the financial damage but you turn it down so you can tell your story in the Daily Mail?
Please......
again, your lofty standards ...& maybe just maybe he'd done this he'd have had a far easier time (& still be part of the FIA)About to be turned out of a job you've spent years doing, with no other outwardly obvious similar alternative (it's not like you can go to the 'other' F1) with the same terms.
You are offered a settlement agreement to cover the financial damage but you turn it down so you can tell your story in the Daily Mail?
Please......
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/mar/12/sixn...
Olivera said:
I recall before the final race last season that a lot of rhetoric along the lines of 'let them race' came out of the FIA/Merc/Red Bull, probably as a result of discussions between all parties. Was it ever revealed what was discussed, and whether this put undue influence and pressure on Masi?
For the last race, the following was added to the event regulations by Masi. This was to head off the possibility of Max taking Lewis out or his dad throwing a wobbly if Max lost.29) Articles of the International Sporting Code
29.1 All Competitors and Drivers are reminded of the various requirements detailed in the FIA
International Sporting Code. In particular I would like to remind you of the following articles detailed
below.
29.2 Article 9.15.1
“The Competitor shall be responsible for all acts or omissions on the part of any person taking part
in, or providing a service in connection with, a Competition or a Championship on their behalf,
including in particular their employees, direct or indirect, their Drivers, mechanics, consultants,
service providers, or passengers, as well as any person to whom the Competitor has allowed access to the Reserved Areas.”
29.3 Article 12.2.1 – Breach of Rules and in particular Article 12.2.1.l
“Any infringement of the principles of fairness in Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike
manner or attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics.”
29.4 Article 12.4.5
“For all the FIA Championships, cups, challenges, trophies or series, the stewards may also decide
to impose the following penalties: Suspension for one or more Competitions, withdrawal of points for
the Championship, cup, challenge, trophy, series.”
29.5 Article 12.4.5.a
“Points should not be deducted separately from Drivers and Competitors, save in exceptional
circumstances.”
found here https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
No one expected it would be the FIA who breached 29.3 Article 12.2.1
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 1st August 16:39
jsf said:
Olivera said:
I recall before the final race last season that a lot of rhetoric along the lines of 'let them race' came out of the FIA/Merc/Red Bull, probably as a result of discussions between all parties. Was it ever revealed what was discussed, and whether this put undue influence and pressure on Masi?
For the last race, the following was added to the event regulations by Masi. This was to head off the possibility of Max taking Lewis out or his dad throwing a wobbly if Max lost.29) Articles of the International Sporting Code
29.1 All Competitors and Drivers are reminded of the various requirements detailed in the FIA
International Sporting Code. In particular I would like to remind you of the following articles detailed
below.
29.2 Article 9.15.1
“The Competitor shall be responsible for all acts or omissions on the part of any person taking part
in, or providing a service in connection with, a Competition or a Championship on their behalf,
including in particular their employees, direct or indirect, their Drivers, mechanics, consultants,
service providers, or passengers, as well as any person to whom the Competitor has allowed access to the Reserved Areas.”
29.3 Article 12.2.1 – Breach of Rules and in particular Article 12.2.1.l
“Any infringement of the principles of fairness in Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike
manner or attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics.”
29.4 Article 12.4.5
“For all the FIA Championships, cups, challenges, trophies or series, the stewards may also decide
to impose the following penalties: Suspension for one or more Competitions, withdrawal of points for
the Championship, cup, challenge, trophy, series.”
29.5 Article 12.4.5.a
“Points should not be deducted separately from Drivers and Competitors, save in exceptional
circumstances.”
found here https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
No one expected it would be the FIA who breached 29.3 Article 12.2.1
Edited by jsf on Monday 1st August 16:39
RB Will said:
I really feel for the guy over this situation.
I don’t believe for a second he did it in order to manipulate the final result to be a Max win. As he said to Toto, it is a race and I think he was just trying to achieve something exciting for everyone. Which is an understandable thought. F1 fans forever bang on about it being boring etc. there would also have been no end of moaning if the most dramatic final race race of a season ended under a safety car so he was in a lose lose situation.
It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.
Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work ( though much less important and lower profile obviously) of having to deviate from normal procedure to get the job done and being shat all over for it.
I don’t believe for a second he did it in order to manipulate the final result to be a Max win. As he said to Toto, it is a race and I think he was just trying to achieve something exciting for everyone. Which is an understandable thought. F1 fans forever bang on about it being boring etc. there would also have been no end of moaning if the most dramatic final race race of a season ended under a safety car so he was in a lose lose situation.
It isn’t like he just handed Max the win, he had to work for it with the overtake and defence, Lewis very nearly took it back despite the tyres.
Maybe it is because I can empathise with him having similar experience at work ( though much less important and lower profile obviously) of having to deviate from normal procedure to get the job done and being shat all over for it.
I would never condone or seek to justify threats or abuse but I also have zero sympathy for Masi.
His incompetence / cheating / corrupt actions (take your pick) almost destroyed the sport I have followed since I was 15. He deserves to have lost his job, and he deserves his public disgrace. Whatever really happened that day has been covered up and buried so we may never find out. If Masi had a shred of integrity he would tell us the truth. Until then, I will continue to believe that Masi was part of an organised attempt to fix the outcome of the World Championship and to rob Mercedes & Sir Lewis of the titles they won fair & square on the track.
His incompetence / cheating / corrupt actions (take your pick) almost destroyed the sport I have followed since I was 15. He deserves to have lost his job, and he deserves his public disgrace. Whatever really happened that day has been covered up and buried so we may never find out. If Masi had a shred of integrity he would tell us the truth. Until then, I will continue to believe that Masi was part of an organised attempt to fix the outcome of the World Championship and to rob Mercedes & Sir Lewis of the titles they won fair & square on the track.
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