Masi gone from F1
Discussion
paulguitar said:
Do you actually think anyone would be nuts enough to employ him now?
he'll never be an RD again & certainly wont be employed by the FIA again (so that's WEC out- so not sure how much thinking Luke put into his comment)RD's don't seem to get paid that much either, so i doubt he'll consider it worth the grief in a lesser series (especially with his pay off in his pocket)
he'll pop up as a consultant somewhere ...probably for countries/ companies vying to host future races
LukeBrown66 said:
You guys are funny, think about it.
Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
Only a complete muppet would hire him now , he is done ! Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
Out of interest would you hire him now ?
Of course, unless you think he did any of this stuff completely of his own volition?
He was perfectly adept before this incident. And nobody knows who was driving this decision, if it was him and only him then fair enough, but the sheer fact he has been ,made to sign an NDA ought to suggest there is far more to this than meets the eye.
He was perfectly adept before this incident. And nobody knows who was driving this decision, if it was him and only him then fair enough, but the sheer fact he has been ,made to sign an NDA ought to suggest there is far more to this than meets the eye.
LukeBrown66 said:
Of course, unless you think he did any of this stuff completely of his own volition?
He was perfectly adept before this incident. And nobody knows who was driving this decision, if it was him and only him then fair enough, but the sheer fact he has been ,made to sign an NDA ought to suggest there is far more to this than meets the eye.
He was perfectly adept before this incident. And nobody knows who was driving this decision, if it was him and only him then fair enough, but the sheer fact he has been ,made to sign an NDA ought to suggest there is far more to this than meets the eye.
Debatable.
I do think he'd find work in a similar role though.
People have short memories in motorsport.
LukeBrown66 said:
You guys are funny, think about it.
Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
There's no way any half decent race series will take him on unless he's washing the trucks. The response from the fans would probably be enough to make them think twice.Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
The fans do not matter diddly squat when it comes a race director.
What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
LukeBrown66 said:
The fans do not matter diddly squat when it comes a race director.
What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
You've a very short memory if you think it was only the last race. He'd been making all sorts of messes earlier in the season. Some people say he was overloaded, but that was his own fault. He'd started making the decisions the stewards should do, increasing his workload a lot. This also meant it was far better for the team principles to call him all the time, as it could actually influence the person making the decisions (stewards are not connected to the teams I believe) and Masi clearly was being influenced by the messages when you look at decisions, meaning the teams HAD to call him or risk losing out. Which was more workload again. What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
He was a liability long before the last race.
LukeBrown66 said:
The fans do not matter diddly squat when it comes a race director.
What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
It wasn't a mistake, he knew the rule.What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
911r said:
LukeBrown66 said:
You guys are funny, think about it.
Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
Only a complete muppet would hire him now , he is done ! Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
Out of interest would you hire him now ?
LukeBrown66 said:
You guys are funny, think about it.
Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
U wot?Masi is a race director, he could work anywhere, Dorna, WEC, GTWC, America, this is his job, he got to the top level.
If he spills his guts now and tells all about what happened he will never do that job again, I don't know about you, but I would like to continue working in the field I had worked hard to get to the top in? Rather than being branded whatever for telling all to the press who just move on the the next thing the day after.
SO he would have been forced to sign an agreement, to preserve his potential of getting work elsewhere.
I am sure he will spill all when he retires!!
Some outback dirt track watching over beat up Holden Ute's more likes. Probably still gets to enjoy a mad max theme though.
NDAs an interesting one though, did others have a finger in this, or do they want it just not talked about by anyone with any authority?
jm doc said:
LukeBrown66 said:
The fans do not matter diddly squat when it comes a race director.
What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
It wasn't a mistake, he knew the rule.What matters is that he has done it for a long time, was trusted by the old powers that be to do a good job made a mistake and resigned. We will never know if that mistake was genuine or forced.
A good race director will find work, if not here than perhaps back in Oz or maybe America where they will know no better.
That’s why he signed the NDA and took the money, he was done either way.
He won’t work in high level motorsport again, and neither should he, and no team would tolerate it. You wouldn’t know whether the race would be decided on the track, in the stewards office or in his head….Can you imagine any team having the confidence in his ability to apply the rules as written irrespective of whether was acting alone or directed to deliver a particular outcome?
Nothing much to add other than I watched Senna last night (Amazon reminded me it’s soon to be removed from the platform), being born in ‘83 I was not familiar with just how much Balastre influenced the outcome of the championship, so some of the wilder theories about people manipulating the sport aren’t just realistic, there’s a precedent for them.
The film also reminded me that over time it’s won’t really matter. No one puts an asterisk next to any of Prost’s titles.
The film also reminded me that over time it’s won’t really matter. No one puts an asterisk next to any of Prost’s titles.
Anyone basing an opinion about Alain based on the Senna movie is a little daft to be honest.
it is one of the most biased pieces of film about motorsport put together. It was about one man, so obviously showed everything from his perspective and his side.
Balestre was a piece of work admittedly, I don't know whether things were manipulated to suit Prost, but things at McLaren certainly were to suit Senna even just to mess with Alain's head.
It is a fabulous piece of work as a film, but please do not base anything you know of the era, Prost, Balestre or Senna to be changed by a film made by a few Senna fanboys about their demi god.
Or at the very least balance it out by watching the excellent Steve Rider interview with Alain a few years ago on SKY that might at least offer some balance.
And the same goes for Masi, you DO NOT KNOW what really happened and never will, he made mistakes yes, but was this just him or other influences, was he made a scapegoat? He deserved to go for what happened but to hang it ALL on him is grossly unfair as you do not know the truth.
it is one of the most biased pieces of film about motorsport put together. It was about one man, so obviously showed everything from his perspective and his side.
Balestre was a piece of work admittedly, I don't know whether things were manipulated to suit Prost, but things at McLaren certainly were to suit Senna even just to mess with Alain's head.
It is a fabulous piece of work as a film, but please do not base anything you know of the era, Prost, Balestre or Senna to be changed by a film made by a few Senna fanboys about their demi god.
Or at the very least balance it out by watching the excellent Steve Rider interview with Alain a few years ago on SKY that might at least offer some balance.
And the same goes for Masi, you DO NOT KNOW what really happened and never will, he made mistakes yes, but was this just him or other influences, was he made a scapegoat? He deserved to go for what happened but to hang it ALL on him is grossly unfair as you do not know the truth.
LukeBrown66 said:
And the same goes for Masi, you DO NOT KNOW what really happened and never will, he made mistakes yes, but was this just him or other influences, was he made a scapegoat? He deserved to go for what happened but to hang it ALL on him is grossly unfair as you do not know the truth.
We do not know in full why he did what he did, but we certainly do know what he did.paulguitar said:
LukeBrown66 said:
And the same goes for Masi, you DO NOT KNOW what really happened and never will, he made mistakes yes, but was this just him or other influences, was he made a scapegoat? He deserved to go for what happened but to hang it ALL on him is grossly unfair as you do not know the truth.
We do not know in full why he did what he did, but we certainly do know what he did.FFS...again...!!
LukeBrown66 said:
And the same goes for Masi, you DO NOT KNOW what really happened and never will, he made mistakes yes, but was this just him or other influences, was he made a scapegoat? He deserved to go for what happened but to hang it ALL on him is grossly unfair as you do not know the truth.
There are just two scenarios re Abu Dhabi.1. It was just Masi making (another) mistake, in which case he is incompetent and deserved to be sacked, but then why the NDA and a severance paycheque….
2. He was told to do it by Liberty, FIA etc but then he had a choice and to knowingly carry out orders which were not in accordance with the regulations makes him an even bigger a
hole…. This makes the NDA and severance pay less surprising.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff