2021 Cost Cap Breaches
Discussion
mk1coopers said:
As others have said, if it's proved, there should be a substantial penalties retrospectively applied, they need to be of a type that will deter the teams from doing it.
Having said that, F1 history shows that if a penalty is applied it will be constructed in a way that doesn't materially alter the results from previous races / Championships.
If (hypothetically) RBR committed a "material" breach it will become an exercise for the FIA in how to set a suitably scary deterrent whilst not changing the result of last years championships. I suggested in the Singapore GP thread that, should a WDC points penalty be desired it'll turn out to be 8 points or less. 8 WDC points is a noticeable amount that makes exceeding the cap a risky move but would still ensure that Max remains champion, because they won't change that - they've already demonstrated that when they admitted that the safety car rules weren't followed correctly. Max being '21 WDC is good for Liberty, and in this it's good for the FIA too, they won't disrupt that gravy train, especially not in a way that's going to make the sport itself look foolish, changing the WDC 10 months after the championship ended when they're already getting flak over things like how long it took to publish the Monza grid? Not going to happen in a month of sundays.Having said that, F1 history shows that if a penalty is applied it will be constructed in a way that doesn't materially alter the results from previous races / Championships.
Max being WDC in 21 was good for Liberty in 21….
It created drama and the new fans won off the back of it are all now loyal customers and they are not going to disappear if RB are penalised and Max kicked out of last year’s championship, it’s old news. What it would do is create more drama, more tension, more us vs them, more “RB are the bad boys of F1” nonsense and the new punters are captivated again.
Ultimately the FIA will pad it put until Max has the 22 title wrapped up, then some arbitrary financial penalties applied and the rules for recording expenditure clarified for 23.
It created drama and the new fans won off the back of it are all now loyal customers and they are not going to disappear if RB are penalised and Max kicked out of last year’s championship, it’s old news. What it would do is create more drama, more tension, more us vs them, more “RB are the bad boys of F1” nonsense and the new punters are captivated again.
Ultimately the FIA will pad it put until Max has the 22 title wrapped up, then some arbitrary financial penalties applied and the rules for recording expenditure clarified for 23.
jules_s said:
Catching up on FP1 Horner says RBR submitted their accounts and they were below the cap
He does sound nervous though...
Made me laugh in the FP2 coverage when he said we all know where the comments are coming from.... so is it Ferrari or Mercedes? ... are they all ganging up on poor Red Bull?He does sound nervous though...
rscott said:
Surely the simple answer is that they should cut this year's budget by whatever the overspend was last year..
So Verstappen's car will be more duct tape than carbon fibre for the last couple of races..
This whole season is going to be over in two races, why don't Red Bull just not bother attending the races for the rest of the season and save the money instead?So Verstappen's car will be more duct tape than carbon fibre for the last couple of races..
Interesting interview with Toto after FP2. Said that two teams have breached the cap. One with a minor breach and another with a more significant overspend. They know the second is Red Bull and that if Horner doesn’t think there’s a problem then he needs to talk to his CFO.
Made the point that any advantage gained last season as a consequence of breaching the cap will have delivered an advantage this season and by definition for next season too as the regs are the same. Any sanction therefore should take this into account.
Made the point that any advantage gained last season as a consequence of breaching the cap will have delivered an advantage this season and by definition for next season too as the regs are the same. Any sanction therefore should take this into account.
jsf said:
Based on that interview with Toto and the previous one with Christian, Red Bull have massively taken the piss.
Sanction available to the court who police this includes removal of points from the WDC and WCC if under 5%, if over 5% overspend they can be thrown out of the championship. Toto's face and comments suggest RB are well over the 5% threshold.
Toto basically said RB have gained a 3 year advantage, 2021, 22 and 23 by breaking the cap.
This could be quite serious and could cost RB and Max their championships. It's F1 though, so they will probably get a bonus.
Assuming it's as bad as this, you can't help but admire the job Mercedes did last year taking the championship down to the wire and staying within the rules.Sanction available to the court who police this includes removal of points from the WDC and WCC if under 5%, if over 5% overspend they can be thrown out of the championship. Toto's face and comments suggest RB are well over the 5% threshold.
Toto basically said RB have gained a 3 year advantage, 2021, 22 and 23 by breaking the cap.
This could be quite serious and could cost RB and Max their championships. It's F1 though, so they will probably get a bonus.
fttm said:
All the signs of another farcical championship in the making , thought for a deluded moment we'd left all this nonsense behind and would see the fastest driver win , how naive
If it transpires so, then it's nobody's fault but RB (& Aston). Rules are clear, the FIA have to enforce them. We'll see....cc3 said:
So did Masi's hatchet job at AD...PhilAsia said:
cc3 said:
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