Perez, The Elephant in the Room??

[Finlandese]

wolfie1978 said:

carl_w said:

My memory is hazy but didn't Coulthard gift Hakkinen his first win?

It was his second win, Villeneuve gifted him his first at Jerez the year before

As a payback for McLarens diving out his way earlier during the race. DC got ahead of Mika due same shenanigans and was ordered to let Mika through for the second place, which then later became the first place when JV let the McLarens pass.

[wolfie1978]

Finlandese said:

As a payback for McLarens diving out his way earlier during the race. DC got ahead of Mika due same shenanigans and was ordered to let Mika through for the second place, which then later became the first place when JV let the McLarens pass.

Yeah I think JV had bigger concerns like the wheel sized dent in his sidepod causing his an issue

[AmoCS]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/sergio-perez-b...

[LucyP]

AmoCS said:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/sergio-perez-b...

Former Ferrari engineer supports his former employer, by criticising a rival's tactics. Story is picked up by a tabloid, looking for click-bait.

[JNW1]

What The Deuces said:

Teddy Lop said:

thiscocks said:

I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.

Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.

You have to be able to match your team mates pace for those kind of things to happen, if you're 20 seconds down the road it's a bit more tricky. This is not the same as Reubens cruising round on MS's gearbox then swapping.

The Schumacher incident which more springs to my mind is Malaysia 1999; he was easily the quickest all weekend but let Irvine through (to help Eddie's title challenge) and then proceeded to frustrate Hakkinen for the rest of the race (driving relatively slowly to allow Irvine to build a comfortable lead but being quick where he needed to be to stop Mika getting past him). Had he been so minded I suspect Verstappen could have done something similar for Perez in Abu Dhabi but the desire to do it clearly wasn't there...

[paulguitar]

What The Deuces said:

This is not the same as Reubens cruising round on MS's gearbox then swapping.

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

[What The Deuces]

paulguitar said:

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

Debateable

[What The Deuces]

JNW1 said:

What The Deuces said:

Teddy Lop said:

thiscocks said:

I wouldn’t say he drove badly this year but to put the blame on his team mate for not getting second in the championship is absurd.

Also I can’t recal any driver sacrificing his own race to help his number 2 team mate get higher up the championship before.

I remember some chappie went by the name Schumacher - maybe someones old man? - who wasnt above it. Noone bigpants I guess though.

You have to be able to match your team mates pace for those kind of things to happen, if you're 20 seconds down the road it's a bit more tricky. This is not the same as Reubens cruising round on MS's gearbox then swapping.

The Schumacher incident which more springs to my mind is Malaysia 1999; he was easily the quickest all weekend but let Irvine through (to help Eddie's title challenge) and then proceeded to frustrate Hakkinen for the rest of the race (driving relatively slowly to allow Irvine to build a comfortable lead but being quick where he needed to be to stop Mika getting past him). Had he been so minded I suspect Verstappen could have done something similar for Perez in Abu Dhabi but the desire to do it clearly wasn't there...

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

[paulguitar]

What The Deuces said:

paulguitar said:

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

Debateable

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[What The Deuces]

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

paulguitar said:

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

Debateable

• Debatable

Ironic spelling 'mistake'..... whoosh parrot

[paulguitar]

What The Deuces said:

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

paulguitar said:

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

Debateable

• Debatable

Ironic spelling 'mistake'..... whoosh parrot

[thegreenhell]

What The Deuces said:

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

That is also nonsense. Even if he did pass with a DRS run, Max was the quicker car and would then have ample opportunity to get back past again. Just the act of fighting in this way would hold Leclerc up by several seconds whether he eventually got past for good or not.

Perez managed to do exactly that against Hamilton here last year. To say that Max couldn't do what Perez did last year is nonsense.

[What The Deuces]

thegreenhell said:

What The Deuces said:

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

That is also nonsense. Even if he did pass with a DRS run, Max was the quicker car and would then have ample opportunity to get back past again. Just the act of fighting in this way would hold Leclerc up by several seconds whether he eventually got past for good or not.

Perez managed to do exactly that against Hamilton here last year. To say that Max couldn't do what Perez did last year is nonsense.

Tell that to former World Champion, multiple race winner for different teams and experienced motorsport professional Damon Hill then. He disagrees, i'll go with him.

[PhilAsia]

paulguitar said:

What The Deuces said:

paulguitar said:

Rubens.

He's a driver, not a sandwich.

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Bite confused...

[JNW1]

What The Deuces said:

thegreenhell said:

What The Deuces said:

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

That is also nonsense. Even if he did pass with a DRS run, Max was the quicker car and would then have ample opportunity to get back past again. Just the act of fighting in this way would hold Leclerc up by several seconds whether he eventually got past for good or not.

Perez managed to do exactly that against Hamilton here last year. To say that Max couldn't do what Perez did last year is nonsense.

Tell that to former World Champion, multiple race winner for different teams and experienced motorsport professional Damon Hill then. He disagrees, i'll go with him.

Well the current World Champion didn't deny slowing Leclerc would have been possible or practical, all he did was question whether it would have constituted fair racing!

The reality is Verstappen - who had easily the fastest car in Abu Dhabi - could have interfered quite significantly with Leclerc's lap times for at least part of the race. I agree there's a good chance Leclerc could have got past at some stage using DRS but with the extra speed Verstappen had in his pocket he'd have been straight back past at the next DRS zone and could then have started the disruption process all over again; if he'd done that for 5 or 6 laps it would have been easily enough to have brought Perez into a position where he could have passed Leclerc for 2nd place. However, Max - and perhaps RBR - chose not to try to do it.

[What The Deuces]

JNW1 said:

Verstappen - who had easily the fastest car in Abu Dhabi -

The same car Perez had you mean?

[thegreenhell]

What The Deuces said:

JNW1 said:

Verstappen - who had easily the fastest car in Abu Dhabi -

The same car Perez had you mean?

Pole position and several seconds up the road in the lead, so yes it was the fastest car that weekend. Perez was also faster than the Ferraris in qualifying and for most of the race.

[MustangGT]

What The Deuces said:

thegreenhell said:

What The Deuces said:

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

That is also nonsense. Even if he did pass with a DRS run, Max was the quicker car and would then have ample opportunity to get back past again. Just the act of fighting in this way would hold Leclerc up by several seconds whether he eventually got past for good or not.

Perez managed to do exactly that against Hamilton here last year. To say that Max couldn't do what Perez did last year is nonsense.

Tell that to former World Champion, multiple race winner for different teams and experienced motorsport professional Damon Hill then. He disagrees, i'll go with him.

Of course you will, just to be contrary.

I don't suppose you remember Abu Dhabi 2016? When Lewis spent the whole race backing Nico up into the pack?

[What The Deuces]

MustangGT said:

What The Deuces said:

thegreenhell said:

What The Deuces said:

Nonsense

With DRS at AD , Max wouldn't have had a hope in hell of keeping CLC behind after letting him close up. Damon Hill has rightly pointed this out in the last day or so. Back in Schumacher's day, you could move to block more, there was no DRS and the tyres weren't made of plasticine. Totally different.


https://www.planetf1.com/news/damon-hill-defends-m...

That is also nonsense. Even if he did pass with a DRS run, Max was the quicker car and would then have ample opportunity to get back past again. Just the act of fighting in this way would hold Leclerc up by several seconds whether he eventually got past for good or not.

Perez managed to do exactly that against Hamilton here last year. To say that Max couldn't do what Perez did last year is nonsense.

Tell that to former World Champion, multiple race winner for different teams and experienced motorsport professional Damon Hill then. He disagrees, i'll go with him.

Of course you will, just to be contrary.

I don't suppose you remember Abu Dhabi 2016? When Lewis spent the whole race backing Nico up into the pack?

I remember they were in the same car, the title was still live and Lewis didn't start doing it till the final stint around lap 30-35

Bit of a different situation.

[JNW1]

What The Deuces said:

JNW1 said:

Verstappen - who had easily the fastest car in Abu Dhabi -

The same car Perez had you mean?

In race conditions I do think the Red Bull was the fastest car in Abu Dhabi and with Verstappen behind the wheel it was easily the quickest combination on the track. That's why I believe he could have played with Leclerc - or indeed anyone else - pretty much as he pleased if he'd had the inclination to do so (just as Schumacher did in Malaysia all those years ago).

The only difference is Schumacher decided to help his teammate whereas on Sunday Verstappen apparently discovered a hitherto unseen sense of fair play and decided not to...