Perez, The Elephant in the Room??
Discussion
Muzzer79 said:
TikTak said:
thegreenhell said:
Inevitable. Poor Yuki must be fuming.
This really. Don't think Lawson has done enough either personally. Is it time for Yuki to look at getting out of that RB 'family'?
Big question is whether Honda will accept Stroll Jr driving the second car instead of their man, who is clearly faster. Interesting times ahead
I agree that Lawson hasn't shown enough, but Red Bull didn't really have a choice if they don't rate Tsunoda enough.
It's a sorry state of affairs for RB's young driver programme that they're now chucking inexperienced drivers into the main team and seeing if they swim, aswell as the second team.
Mind you, Lawson isn't the first in this regard - let's hope he doesn't suffer an Albon-like fate.
Alonso being immune to the passage of time seems like he'll be at Aston, but to be partnered by Yuki doesn't sound like a disaster. To be honest, especially given his seemingly cba attitude and his alarming ability to drive into people/things, anyone is better than Stroll at this point ... but I guess that also depends on Daddy Stroll even with external pressures (Honda/Newey).
Leithen said:
The only takeaway for me from this whole sorry affair is, how bad must have been the internal s
tshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?
Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Without looking at the contract, I couldn't tell you what was in it. tshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Red Bull are one of the best arguably the best team on grid, whatever they did, they did it in their interests. We know there are sponsorship agreements in place that they had to be mindful of and with that it probably wasn't worth binning Perez mid season, especially as they haven't got a decent replacement. Even now I think this might be a bit too much of a challenge for Lawson.
Presuming Ed said:
Leithen said:
The only takeaway for me from this whole sorry affair is, how bad must have been the internal stshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?
Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Without looking at the contract, I couldn't tell you what was in it. tshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Red Bull are one of the best arguably the best team on grid, whatever they did, they did it in their interests. We know there are sponsorship agreements in place that they had to be mindful of and with that it probably wasn't worth binning Perez mid season, especially as they haven't got a decent replacement. Even now I think this might be a bit too much of a challenge for Lawson.
Leithen said:
The only takeaway for me from this whole sorry affair is, how bad must have been the internal stshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?
Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Who said that there weren't performance clauses in it?tshow at Red Bull that they gave Perez a new contract apparently without performance clauses?Perez’s very experienced manager seems to have played an absolute blinder.
Let's remember that no driver will ever agree to a straight performance clause that says "score (x) number of points or the contract is cancelled" because he is not entirely in control of that outcome.
It's much more nuanced than that.
Muzzer79 said:
I think the point is that there's no need for Horner to come out in the press and say
"Yes, well you know - Sergio has been very poor in the second half of the year so we've decided to fire him and bring another driver in"
That is being honest, but it doesn't do Sergio any favours and doesn't paint the team in the best light either.
Horner's press comments, whether they are the truth or not, allow Perez some dignity and the ability to manage the narrative - not least with his sponsors.
Everyone knows the truth behind it - but it doesn't need to be said.
As as been said many times before, if it wasn’t for the large pay cut Horny would probably stand for Parliament when he’s done at Red Bull. "Yes, well you know - Sergio has been very poor in the second half of the year so we've decided to fire him and bring another driver in"
That is being honest, but it doesn't do Sergio any favours and doesn't paint the team in the best light either.
Horner's press comments, whether they are the truth or not, allow Perez some dignity and the ability to manage the narrative - not least with his sponsors.
Everyone knows the truth behind it - but it doesn't need to be said.
Sandpit Steve said:
Muzzer79 said:
I think the point is that there's no need for Horner to come out in the press and say
"Yes, well you know - Sergio has been very poor in the second half of the year so we've decided to fire him and bring another driver in"
That is being honest, but it doesn't do Sergio any favours and doesn't paint the team in the best light either.
Horner's press comments, whether they are the truth or not, allow Perez some dignity and the ability to manage the narrative - not least with his sponsors.
Everyone knows the truth behind it - but it doesn't need to be said.
As as been said many times before, if it wasn’t for the large pay cut Horny would probably stand for Parliament when he’s done at Red Bull. "Yes, well you know - Sergio has been very poor in the second half of the year so we've decided to fire him and bring another driver in"
That is being honest, but it doesn't do Sergio any favours and doesn't paint the team in the best light either.
Horner's press comments, whether they are the truth or not, allow Perez some dignity and the ability to manage the narrative - not least with his sponsors.
Everyone knows the truth behind it - but it doesn't need to be said.
thegreenhell said:
LivLL said:
It’s not rare for F1 drivers to lose their seat at all, happens all of the time.
It is more rare for them to lose their seat before even starting the contract extension period they've only recently just signed, though."Sergio, would you like to drive for us for another two years?"
"Yes please, Christian."
"You're fired."
Perez brought sponsorship from Carlos Slims company Telmex, they were dropping Red Bull next year anyway because of AT&T increasing their links with the team.
With Telmex out of the picture and Perez performing poorly and not looking likely to improve there really was no reason to keep him on the team. As Toto Wolf would say, he's a contractor not a team member. Max is a team member just like Lewis was at Mercedes.
Contractors are expendable, don't perform then its time to leave...
With Telmex out of the picture and Perez performing poorly and not looking likely to improve there really was no reason to keep him on the team. As Toto Wolf would say, he's a contractor not a team member. Max is a team member just like Lewis was at Mercedes.
Contractors are expendable, don't perform then its time to leave...
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