Hulk to Haas

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the-norseman

12,399 posts

171 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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mw88 said:
I think Gene Haas has mentioned before there's no expectation of winning World Championships in F1.

and now a driver who isn't ripping cars in half
Just watched a compilation video of Hulkenberg's smashes on Youtube, a few aren't his fault but quite a few are.

Milkyway

9,400 posts

53 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Piginapoke said:
Milkyway said:
Just because you inherit a name... no guarantees that they will succeed in F1.

( G. Brabham, B,Senna, N,Piquet Jr, M.Schumacher... to name but a few).
Hill, Rosberg, Villeneuve….
...Soz, forgot a certain M. Andretti.

Current stock: Max (Jos) & Kevin (Jan)... are doing OK.


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 14:06

Milkyway

9,400 posts

53 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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the-norseman said:
mw88 said:
I think Gene Haas has mentioned before there's no expectation of winning World Championships in F1.

and now a driver who isn't ripping cars in half
Just watched a compilation video of Hulkenberg's smashes on Youtube, a few aren't his fault but quite a few are.
I’m glad that ‘Hulk’ is back...I thought that he hadn’t ever reached his full potential... Alonso proves, there’s still life in the old dogs yet.
Just to see NH on the podium, would be nice.


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 14:13

MustangGT

11,629 posts

280 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Milkyway said:
I’m glad that ‘Hulk’ is back...I thought that he hadn’t ever reached his full potential... Alonso proves, there’s still life in the old dogs yet.
Just to see NH on the podium, would be nice.


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 14:13
Indeed, although it would be a first for him. Probably has the job because he is the only other available German driver with a super-licence.

thiscocks

3,128 posts

195 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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I wonder if he will end up sucking Kevin's balls?

Milkyway

9,400 posts

53 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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thiscocks said:
I wonder if he will end up sucking Kevin's balls?
I think that they have kissed & made up... remains to be seen though.
Both used to hard racing.

Maybe that could be the forfeit for finishing second within the team.


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 17:46

thiscocks

3,128 posts

195 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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For the sake of entertainment, I hope not smile

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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MustangGT said:
95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
Just spotted this thread.

Hulk is the F1 Hipster Fan favourite. It's fashionable to talk him up as a good driver, or a shrewd choice for a team.

It's funny the derision that Danny Ric seems to generate as a "journeyman". Whereas Hulkenberg is the dictionary definition of an F1 journeyman, but nobody calls it out.

He's a decent enough driver (and an eminently likeable bloke), but really nothing particularly special in F1 terms.

entropy

5,433 posts

203 months

Wednesday 23rd November 2022
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Milkyway said:
I’m glad that ‘Hulk’ is back...I thought that he hadn’t ever reached his full potential... Alonso proves, there’s still life in the old dogs yet.
Just to see NH on the podium, would be nice.


Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 23 November 14:13
There's good reason for this - over-rated driver hyped up partly because his manager was Willi Weber, on a different level in F3 but was shown up at F1 level as a journeyman driver.

I liked Hulk, wished for him to succeed but he struggled to beat Checo (struggling with rear tyre thermal deg) and even the now lacklustre Danny Ricc could beat him.

Alonso, however, has consistently extracted the maximum out of cars regardless how good or bad the team is. He is still capable driving at the absolute top level week-in week-out and beating the next generation of drivers.


FourWheelDrift

88,504 posts

284 months

Sunday 27th November 2022
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The cost of Schumacher's crashes - https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1017857/1/agonising-...

Will have to see if Hulkenberg does better.

Also Moneygram(b) Hass F1 next year.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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Smollet said:
Sadly with Mick, the apple fell a long long way from the tree.
I reckon Corrina and 'Uncle Ralf' got drunk one night....

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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C70R said:
MustangGT said:
95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
Just spotted this thread.

Hulk is the F1 Hipster Fan favourite. It's fashionable to talk him up as a good driver, or a shrewd choice for a team.

It's funny the derision that Danny Ric seems to generate as a "journeyman". Whereas Hulkenberg is the dictionary definition of an F1 journeyman, but nobody calls it out.

He's a decent enough driver (and an eminently likeable bloke), but really nothing particularly special in F1 terms.
One thing we can agree on.

Hulk has had plenty of chances and failed to convert. Talentwise, maybe on a level with Lance.

C70R

17,596 posts

104 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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What The Deuces said:
C70R said:
MustangGT said:
95 fiesta si said:
shame for Mick but the Hulk defo deserves a seat in F1
Exactly what has he achieved in F1 to date?

Actually I think he will be good for Haas, he is dependable, provides good feedback etc.

But not an achiever in F1. I believe he is much better suited to other formulae based on his success outside of F1.
Just spotted this thread.

Hulk is the F1 Hipster Fan favourite. It's fashionable to talk him up as a good driver, or a shrewd choice for a team.

It's funny the derision that Danny Ric seems to generate as a "journeyman". Whereas Hulkenberg is the dictionary definition of an F1 journeyman, but nobody calls it out.

He's a decent enough driver (and an eminently likeable bloke), but really nothing particularly special in F1 terms.
One thing we can agree on.

Hulk has had plenty of chances and failed to convert. Talentwise, maybe on a level with Lance.
He comes across as an entirely decent bloke.

But 181 races and zero podiums is not the record fans should be excited about returning to F1.

Milkyway

9,400 posts

53 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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‘Nico doesn’t feel sorry for Mick’... of course he doesn’t.
If I got a job or promotion, I wouldn’t feel sorry for the other applicants.
It was up to THEM to prove that they were worthy of the position.

Ok, ‘Hulk’ may have helped sway the decision, but that’s life these days... but he was on Hass’s radar anyway.

So Good luck to him & Hass.

Edited by Milkyway on Monday 28th November 11:09

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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C70R said:
He comes across as an entirely decent bloke.

But 181 races and zero podiums is not the record fans should be excited about returning to F1.
100%

HustleRussell

24,690 posts

160 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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C70R said:
It's funny the derision that Danny Ric seems to generate as a "journeyman". Whereas Hulkenberg is the dictionary definition of an F1 journeyman, but nobody calls it out.
I don't think the people who are deriding Danny Ric and the people championing Hulkenberg are the same people.

C70R said:
He's a decent enough driver (and an eminently likeable bloke), but really nothing particularly special in F1 terms.
If you're Haas, you simply don't have the option of certified special F1 drivers. You can get a certified average F1 driver, a second choice / second chance rookie or maybe, very occasionally, a top rate rookie.

Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 28th November 12:02

mw88

1,457 posts

111 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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C70R said:
He comes across as an entirely decent bloke.

But 181 races and zero podiums is not the record fans should be excited about returning to F1.
Yup, although it makes sense on why Haas chose Hulkenberg over Schumacher/Giovinazzi.

Hulkenberg isn't the fastest driver on the planet, but should be fairly consistent and less "crashy" than Schumacher, Giovinazzi and even Grosjean.

What The Deuces

2,780 posts

24 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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mw88 said:
C70R said:
He comes across as an entirely decent bloke.

But 181 races and zero podiums is not the record fans should be excited about returning to F1.
Yup, although it makes sense on why Haas chose Hulkenberg over Schumacher/Giovinazzi.

Hulkenberg isn't the fastest driver on the planet, but should be fairly consistent and less "crashy" than Schumacher, Giovinazzi and even Grosjean.
I personally think Gio has more pace that Hulk, however he is prone to bending it.

Its a sad state when a team chooses a driver based on their likely accident cost rather than pace. Would like to see the cost cap somehow amended to exclude accident damage and the cost of replacing like for like parts.

Milkyway

9,400 posts

53 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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Hass needed an ‘ecky Thump’.


Edited by Milkyway on Monday 28th November 12:42

HustleRussell

24,690 posts

160 months

Monday 28th November 2022
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What The Deuces said:
Its a sad state when a team chooses a driver based on their likely accident cost rather than pace. Would like to see the cost cap somehow amended to exclude accident damage and the cost of replacing like for like parts.
Hulkenberg hasn't been signed based solely on his likely accident cost. He has been signed because the team think he will deliver at least as many points as the other available drivers whilst wrecking fewer cars.

Also if you amended the cost cap as you suggest, the consequence is predictable.