Will Aston emerge as a winner this season?

Will Aston emerge as a winner this season?

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C Lee Farquar

4,008 posts

204 months

Sunday 19th February
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TheDeuce said:
Will they win? Nope. Do they care? Well the team members surely do but I think for the shareholders, it's a nice to have but by no means important or expected.
It's a fair point that Force India could prove a decent investment but I suspect an egotistical billionaire bully would treasure results on the track above financial reward?







Fundoreen

3,692 posts

71 months

Monday 20th February
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On paper they have put everything in place to be a regular top team. Even though he is a spectacularly grumpy canadian billionare he is the only person that could make this possible.
Lot of the time we get some bozo bringing a big name back to f1 and they tt about underfunded at the back of the grid hoping that by some miracle the name will thrust them to the top.
Aston martin was briefly in f1 in the distant past and was pretty anonymous. More recently it was that idiotic plastering the name on the red bull to bambozzle people into thinking they were involved in some way.
This is the real deal now. But its tough at the top so I dont expect winning like the traditional top three have done just yet.

HustleRussell

22,921 posts

148 months

Monday 20th February
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It'll remain, for several seasons to come, a real shortcoming of the sport- customer teams just aren't going to beat PU manufacturer teams. Until 2026 there are only four PU manufacturers. Customer teams need some misfortune to befall manufacturer teams in order to get a win or even the odd podium. However, new regs year one has been and gone and the cars are only going to get more reliable and better understood. I predict that the problem will actually grow, as Alpine should cement itself as solidly the fourth team. If that happens, we'll be having to look as far back as the fifth row for 'best of the rest', and there'll be as many as eight cars ahead of that driver in the pecking order.

Mark-C

4,041 posts

193 months

Monday 20th February
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I guess we'll find out in the next couple of weeks. If they have spent their money and time well I can see them properly around McLaren and Alpine as fourth best contenders but no more than that so maybe a podium on a good day but no more ...

Of course McLaren and Alpine should both have moved further forward so Aston will have a big jump to make

HustleRussell

22,921 posts

148 months

Monday 20th February
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I predict they have leapfrogged Mclaren and will be fifth. Maybe a challenger for Alpine, but still with at least half a dozen of the usual suspects up the road from them.

Piginapoke

4,217 posts

173 months

Monday 20th February
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Fundoreen said:
This is the real deal now. But its tough at the top so I dont expect winning like the traditional top three have done just yet.
Aston Martin Racing is no more the real deal than the Red Bull sponsorship was, it is just a sponsorship agreement and not a works team, despite what Stroll says.

When Aston Martin Lagonda runs out of cash (probably in 2023/24) and investors run out of patience, I assume that the £25m annual F1 payment will stop, and the F1 team will be back where it started under Stroll.


vulture1

11,079 posts

167 months

Monday 20th February
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TheDeuce said:
Obviously my captions were entirely fictional rofl

But it does seem obvious that Paddy was the recipient of being spoken to, it wasn't a conversation as such. Stroll is a large and powerful figure on many a level.

But I do think he's probably played a blinder with his shared interests with Toto and his attachment of an F1 team to AM. The F1 team will require zero future investment and will support its own existence regardless of actual success or performance. And as it does so, it will perpetually market the AM brand.

There is a triangle of interests at play here. Stroll, Toto, Mercedes. Mercedes and Toto own shares in AM... Mercedes already supply AM with power trains and tech. Whatever the end goal of this happy union might be, I doubt very much it relies on the F1 team achieving anything more than existing and waving a banner to 1 billion viewers.

Will they win? Nope. Do they care? Well the team members surely do but I think for the shareholders, it's a nice to have but by no means important or expected.
How ironic that that the f1 team will be the most profitable part of aston Martin. Ie they will at least break even...

Piginapoke

4,217 posts

173 months

Monday 20th February
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vulture1 said:
TheDeuce said:
Obviously my captions were entirely fictional rofl

But it does seem obvious that Paddy was the recipient of being spoken to, it wasn't a conversation as such. Stroll is a large and powerful figure on many a level.

But I do think he's probably played a blinder with his shared interests with Toto and his attachment of an F1 team to AM. The F1 team will require zero future investment and will support its own existence regardless of actual success or performance. And as it does so, it will perpetually market the AM brand.

There is a triangle of interests at play here. Stroll, Toto, Mercedes. Mercedes and Toto own shares in AM... Mercedes already supply AM with power trains and tech. Whatever the end goal of this happy union might be, I doubt very much it relies on the F1 team achieving anything more than existing and waving a banner to 1 billion viewers.

Will they win? Nope. Do they care? Well the team members surely do but I think for the shareholders, it's a nice to have but by no means important or expected.
How ironic that that the f1 team will be the most profitable part of aston Martin. Ie they will at least break even...
It is not part of Aston Martin.

Fundoreen

3,692 posts

71 months

Monday 20th February
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Piginapoke said:
Fundoreen said:
This is the real deal now. But its tough at the top so I dont expect winning like the traditional top three have done just yet.
Aston Martin Racing is no more the real deal than the Red Bull sponsorship was, it is just a sponsorship agreement and not a works team, despite what Stroll says.

When Aston Martin Lagonda runs out of cash (probably in 2023/24) and investors run out of patience, I assume that the £25m annual F1 payment will stop, and the F1 team will be back where it started under Stroll.
They are building that giant f1 facility. Better than everyone else currently has . So I dont see how they are pretending.
Regardless of what happens with the road cars it should go on regardless.
The road cars might just end up being low volume but pricey toys for the rich , like a massive wrist wotch is.
My only problem with them is the horrible british racing green. What a load of bks that is and should be retired.
Nobody buys a road car that colour as its horrible and its just used to trigger some sort of goodwill in old old racing fans.

Muzzer79

7,786 posts

175 months

Monday 20th February
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Fundoreen said:
Piginapoke said:
Fundoreen said:
This is the real deal now. But its tough at the top so I dont expect winning like the traditional top three have done just yet.
Aston Martin Racing is no more the real deal than the Red Bull sponsorship was, it is just a sponsorship agreement and not a works team, despite what Stroll says.

When Aston Martin Lagonda runs out of cash (probably in 2023/24) and investors run out of patience, I assume that the £25m annual F1 payment will stop, and the F1 team will be back where it started under Stroll.
They are building that giant f1 facility. Better than everyone else currently has . So I dont see how they are pretending.
Regardless of what happens with the road cars it should go on regardless.
The road cars might just end up being low volume but pricey toys for the rich , like a massive wrist wotch is.
My only problem with them is the horrible british racing green. What a load of bks that is and should be retired.
Nobody buys a road car that colour as its horrible and its just used to trigger some sort of goodwill in old old racing fans.
Stroll is building the new factory, not Aston Martin. Aston Martin are a sponsor of the F1 team - they have bought the right to name the team and have the base livery.

If the road car business goes belly up (which is eminently possible) then they will no longer be able to pay the $25m per year and the F1 association will stop.

As for stopping BRG, it's their signature colour confused
That would be like saying Ferrari painting their cars red should be retired.

Pflanzgarten

2,080 posts

13 months

Monday 20th February
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Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.

vulture1

11,079 posts

167 months

Monday 20th February
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Pflanzgarten said:
Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.
Stabilisers fall off?

Pflanzgarten

2,080 posts

13 months

Monday 20th February
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vulture1 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.
Stabilisers fall off?
The cynicism in me thinks it's more likely Alonso demanded all car development was to be done by him hehe

mw88

1,368 posts

99 months

Monday 20th February
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vulture1 said:
Stabilisers fall off?
hehe

MustangGT

10,260 posts

268 months

Monday 20th February
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Muzzer79 said:
Fundoreen said:
Piginapoke said:
Fundoreen said:
This is the real deal now. But its tough at the top so I dont expect winning like the traditional top three have done just yet.
Aston Martin Racing is no more the real deal than the Red Bull sponsorship was, it is just a sponsorship agreement and not a works team, despite what Stroll says.

When Aston Martin Lagonda runs out of cash (probably in 2023/24) and investors run out of patience, I assume that the £25m annual F1 payment will stop, and the F1 team will be back where it started under Stroll.
They are building that giant f1 facility. Better than everyone else currently has . So I dont see how they are pretending.
Regardless of what happens with the road cars it should go on regardless.
The road cars might just end up being low volume but pricey toys for the rich , like a massive wrist wotch is.
My only problem with them is the horrible british racing green. What a load of bks that is and should be retired.
Nobody buys a road car that colour as its horrible and its just used to trigger some sort of goodwill in old old racing fans.
Stroll is building the new factory, not Aston Martin. Aston Martin are a sponsor of the F1 team - they have bought the right to name the team and have the base livery.

If the road car business goes belly up (which is eminently possible) then they will no longer be able to pay the $25m per year and the F1 association will stop.

As for stopping BRG, it's their signature colour confused
That would be like saying Ferrari painting their cars red should be retired.
Except for the small fact it is not the original BRG, that was a solid darker green.

Dermot O'Logical

2,038 posts

117 months

Monday 20th February
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Pflanzgarten said:
vulture1 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.
Stabilisers fall off?
The cynicism in me thinks it's more likely Alonso demanded all car development was to be done by him hehe
Drivers are limited to one and a half days each in the pre-season test, so Alonso will share the test with Felipe Drugovich or Stoffel Vandoorne


Mark-C

4,041 posts

193 months

Monday 20th February
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Pflanzgarten said:
vulture1 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.
Stabilisers fall off?
The cynicism in me thinks it's more likely Alonso demanded all car development was to be done by him hehe
Drivers are limited to one and a half days each in the pre-season test, so Alonso will share the test with Felipe Drugovich or Stoffel Vandoorne
So to extrapolate on the cynicism ... has Alonso nobbled Lance because he was scared of being shown up? spin

Pflanzgarten

2,080 posts

13 months

Monday 20th February
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Drivers are limited to one and a half days each in the pre-season test, so Alonso will share the test with Felipe Drugovich or Stoffel Vandoorne
Interesting, is that a new rule? Didn’t Lando do all of one test last year as Danny contracted C-19?

Piginapoke

4,217 posts

173 months

Monday 20th February
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Pflanzgarten said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Drivers are limited to one and a half days each in the pre-season test, so Alonso will share the test with Felipe Drugovich or Stoffel Vandoorne
Interesting, is that a new rule? Didn’t Lando do all of one test last year as Danny contracted C-19?
Yep, I believe teams can run whoever they want.

thegreenhell

12,363 posts

207 months

Monday 20th February
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Pflanzgarten said:
vulture1 said:
Pflanzgarten said:
Lance Stroll out of pre season testing due to bike accident.
Stabilisers fall off?
The cynicism in me thinks it's more likely Alonso demanded all car development was to be done by him hehe
The accident occurred in Spain... scratchchin