Will You Carry on Watching F1?
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Fred absolutely did 'make' the race. Pity Leclerc's Ferrari let him down because we should've had a late Alonso Leclerc battle too.
I liked the race. I enjoyed the fact that it was a good, pure, multi-stint Grand Prix without a full safety car to bunch everybody up again.
It seems plenty of people thought the opposite way about the resulting race. However I get the impression that many of those people would be the same people who on another weekend would complain that there are too many stoppages and safety cars in F1.
Another phenomenon is that people appear to forget what Grand Prix racing is one year to the next. I really don't know what people expect to be done in this scenario i.e. somebody has built the best car and put one of the best drivers in it and are sweeping all before them. Are these people the 'success ballast', 'sprinklers' etc people?
I liked the race. I enjoyed the fact that it was a good, pure, multi-stint Grand Prix without a full safety car to bunch everybody up again.
It seems plenty of people thought the opposite way about the resulting race. However I get the impression that many of those people would be the same people who on another weekend would complain that there are too many stoppages and safety cars in F1.
Another phenomenon is that people appear to forget what Grand Prix racing is one year to the next. I really don't know what people expect to be done in this scenario i.e. somebody has built the best car and put one of the best drivers in it and are sweeping all before them. Are these people the 'success ballast', 'sprinklers' etc people?
deadslow said:
It's not RB's problem if the other teams are operationally inept, or recently in the habit of designing a turd. As a fan, I guess you need to get over it or get out. There's loads of brilliant racing going on - Fred made the last race for most fans; a masterclass.
I did not get over Schumi and get out...wtf are you piping on about? Is the requirement for watching F1 to have no sense of gravitas to rule-breaking, and/or reasonable sportsmanlike behavior?
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
It's not RB's problem if the other teams are operationally inept, or recently in the habit of designing a turd. As a fan, I guess you need to get over it or get out. There's loads of brilliant racing going on - Fred made the last race for most fans; a masterclass.
I did not get over Schumi and get out...wtf are you piping on about? Is the requirement for watching F1 to have no sense of gravitas to rule-breaking, and/or reasonable sportsmanlike behavior?
deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
It's not RB's problem if the other teams are operationally inept, or recently in the habit of designing a turd. As a fan, I guess you need to get over it or get out. There's loads of brilliant racing going on - Fred made the last race for most fans; a masterclass.
I did not get over Schumi and get out...wtf are you piping on about? Is the requirement for watching F1 to have no sense of gravitas to rule-breaking, and/or reasonable sportsmanlike behavior?
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
PhilAsia said:
deadslow said:
It's not RB's problem if the other teams are operationally inept, or recently in the habit of designing a turd. As a fan, I guess you need to get over it or get out. There's loads of brilliant racing going on - Fred made the last race for most fans; a masterclass.
I did not get over Schumi and get out...wtf are you piping on about? Is the requirement for watching F1 to have no sense of gravitas to rule-breaking, and/or reasonable sportsmanlike behavior?
The big issue now is that there is very little jeopardy.
Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
LukeBrown66 said:
The big issue now is that there is very little jeopardy.
Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
There is a lot I agree with here, and yet, races back then were, more often than not, spectacularly boring.Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
paulguitar said:
LukeBrown66 said:
The big issue now is that there is very little jeopardy.
Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
There is a lot I agree with here, and yet, races back then were, more often than not, spectacularly boring.Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
Many people seem to think it was Arnoux/Villeneuve-style battles every fortnight or Donington '93-style first laps all the time.
The reality is that F1 in the 80's and 90's (and I watched it) was pretty dull most of the time.
Plus:
Lady drivers? Amati got into a Brabham in '92 but she couldn't qualify. That's it.
No pathetic penalites? Look up Senna's penalty in Japan 1989.
New teams all the time? I think the F1 world is a better place without Andrea Moda and Lola-Mastercard
I could go on.....
Muzzer79 said:
paulguitar said:
LukeBrown66 said:
The big issue now is that there is very little jeopardy.
Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
There is a lot I agree with here, and yet, races back then were, more often than not, spectacularly boring.Even in the old turbo era were cars were second a lap faster than one another you had to keep watching as the damn things were so unreliable.
Plus the cars were harder to drive, far more interesting look atk, the tracks were better, more challenging, there were no track limits, no team radio, no pathetic penalties, some cars even haha, looked a bit different to one another, it was not a remortgage to get a ticket, you could watch it for free,
One team only ever dominated for short time, there was even more politics, there was the occasional lady driver, new teams all the time, dodgy dealers ran teams so all sorts went on,
And there was no effing David Croft
Many people seem to think it was Arnoux/Villeneuve-style battles every fortnight or Donington '93-style first laps all the time.
The reality is that F1 in the 80's and 90's (and I watched it) was pretty dull most of the time.
Plus:
Lady drivers? Amati got into a Brabham in '92 but she couldn't qualify. That's it.
No pathetic penalites? Look up Senna's penalty in Japan 1989.
New teams all the time? I think the F1 world is a better place without Andrea Moda and Lola-Mastercard
I could go on.....
Desire Wilson was very handy elsewhere, but failed to qualify her one WDC counting F 1 race . She did win a domestic F1 race in 1980. Divina Galica was a better skier than driver , and she failed to qualify in the 76 British GP but enjoyed some success in domestic F1 .
Before F1 days , Elisabeth Junek and Kay Petre were both very competent and respected women racers.
Before F1 days , Elisabeth Junek and Kay Petre were both very competent and respected women racers.
My point simply was that even though the races were boring, there was always the jeopardy of unreliability,
I can count on several pairs of hands the times I thought a race was won and last minute a turbo blew or a backmarker got in the way or a gearbox went.
it is to the teams credit that this does not happen anymore obviously but is also removes that element of jeopardy.
This is why bad weather or mixed weather often serves up good races, as teams are scrambling, it shows how utterly polarized they are when a slight difference can often upset the applecart.
I would also add more than one tyre manufacturer adds to this in any form of racing, I can recall one morning waking up to find Makoto Tamada had won a MotoGP race in Brazil, That was staggering and it was all about tyres, those sort of tings are refreshing, different and force people to come up with new and better ways. Byes it adds costs, but does it really, does having two or three companies really add that much to costs? Most companies only want it so they can secure that deal and money for years, that finance, and organisers want it for stability reasons, without realising that a tyre battle can often make the overall package more exciting. Yes there are pros and cons, but overall more pros for me
I can count on several pairs of hands the times I thought a race was won and last minute a turbo blew or a backmarker got in the way or a gearbox went.
it is to the teams credit that this does not happen anymore obviously but is also removes that element of jeopardy.
This is why bad weather or mixed weather often serves up good races, as teams are scrambling, it shows how utterly polarized they are when a slight difference can often upset the applecart.
I would also add more than one tyre manufacturer adds to this in any form of racing, I can recall one morning waking up to find Makoto Tamada had won a MotoGP race in Brazil, That was staggering and it was all about tyres, those sort of tings are refreshing, different and force people to come up with new and better ways. Byes it adds costs, but does it really, does having two or three companies really add that much to costs? Most companies only want it so they can secure that deal and money for years, that finance, and organisers want it for stability reasons, without realising that a tyre battle can often make the overall package more exciting. Yes there are pros and cons, but overall more pros for me
It would help if there was a few more characters in the sport... most of them just act & sound like pre programmed robots & have had a personality bypass.
Lando seems pretty grounded though...
( But that is installed at a very young age now).
Lando seems pretty grounded though...
( But that is installed at a very young age now).
Edited by Milkyway on Friday 10th March 11:31
This first race we had a Ferrari fail with mechanical issues, last years first race both Red Bull failed, there were plenty of instances of car failure last year also from Sainz having a barbecue to Tsunoda breaking down at Zandvoort and changing the race result.
These cars are not as reliable as you think.
These cars are not as reliable as you think.
HustleRussell said:
Muzzer79 said:
Lady drivers? Amati got into a Brabham in '92 but she couldn't qualify. That's it.
Lella Lombardi, Half a point at the Spanish Grand Prix 1975. I think there was at least one more female driver who competed as well. I'm only keeping NowTv for the golf, occasional footy match and of course the F1 which I've been watching for many years.
Currently 20 quid a month, if they stop this offer each time it's due to go up to normal price I'll drop it. The F1 is currently, imho, disappearing up it's own arse with the engine rules and green obsession but I'll keep watching as long as someone can give our favourite cheaters a bit of a race. Not likely to continue paying though if as I suspect RB are so far ahead.
Surely it's only the real RB fans that can easily accept the last 2 yrs antics, which has culminated in this years dominance again.
Currently 20 quid a month, if they stop this offer each time it's due to go up to normal price I'll drop it. The F1 is currently, imho, disappearing up it's own arse with the engine rules and green obsession but I'll keep watching as long as someone can give our favourite cheaters a bit of a race. Not likely to continue paying though if as I suspect RB are so far ahead.
Surely it's only the real RB fans that can easily accept the last 2 yrs antics, which has culminated in this years dominance again.
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