What do you think's going on at Mercedes right now then?
Discussion
sparta6 said:
skwdenyer said:
sparta6 said:
resorting to the Blame Game.
It is interesting, this idea of blame. It presumes the existence of a mistake.Mercedes have produced a faster car than last year. Their rival has produced a far faster car still. Is anyone to blame?
- StillWeRise
NRS said:
sparta6 said:
skwdenyer said:
sparta6 said:
resorting to the Blame Game.
It is interesting, this idea of blame. It presumes the existence of a mistake.Mercedes have produced a faster car than last year. Their rival has produced a far faster car still. Is anyone to blame?
- StillWeRise
It's Ham's own published strapline. Looks like he's abandoned it.
Or it was BS self-image management to begin with.
skwdenyer said:
sparta6 said:
resorting to the Blame Game.
It is interesting, this idea of blame. It presumes the existence of a mistake.Mercedes have produced a faster car than last year. Their rival has produced a far faster car still. Is anyone to blame?
Tuesday 7th March
GiantCardboardPlato said:
But earlier in the weekend he also mentioned the concept switch.
And so did Hamilton, who said ‘we won’t win with this concept’/
I don’t believe that the owner/leader of an F1 team decides on the spot to change the teams design direction and then decides that the first his team will hear of it when he announces it publicly, on the spur of the moment.
Neither do I believe that Hamilton would say - without having had detailed conversations about what was necessary/needed (i.e foreknowledge) - that they won’t win with their current car concept. Every weekend he is meticulous in his care to thank colleagues in the the team and the work of everyone in the factory. That message would be a bit of a counterproductive on to broadcast in public, in his mind, if fresh.
So I think mercedes already knew they were going to be switching concept, or perhaps had been planning the possibility for a while and were using this weekends relative performance to influence a go/no go decision.
28th MarchAnd so did Hamilton, who said ‘we won’t win with this concept’/
I don’t believe that the owner/leader of an F1 team decides on the spot to change the teams design direction and then decides that the first his team will hear of it when he announces it publicly, on the spur of the moment.
Neither do I believe that Hamilton would say - without having had detailed conversations about what was necessary/needed (i.e foreknowledge) - that they won’t win with their current car concept. Every weekend he is meticulous in his care to thank colleagues in the the team and the work of everyone in the factory. That message would be a bit of a counterproductive on to broadcast in public, in his mind, if fresh.
So I think mercedes already knew they were going to be switching concept, or perhaps had been planning the possibility for a while and were using this weekends relative performance to influence a go/no go decision.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-w14-f1...
Siao said:
TypeR said:
Siao said:
Bo_apex said:
marine boy said:
Bo_apex said:
Yes the pub know-it-all must be working with duffers.
alisdairm said:
I always though the 'Still We Rise' phrase was part of a sponsorship deal he had with Viagra?
You may write me down in historyWith your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
’Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.
Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.
Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops,
Weakened by my soulful cries?
Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
’Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin’ in my own backyard.
You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I’ll rise.
Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?
Out of the huts of history’s shame
I rise
Up from a past that’s rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that’s wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.
marine boy said:
Bo_apex said:
you need to be qualified in order to tie the shoe laces of Aldo Costa and other Italians who were key to Mercedes golden period of dominance
Including Aldo who is one of the best irrespective of nationality
My best boss ever is Italian and now a F1 Technical Director, a few other Italian's I've really enjoyed working with are now a F1 Team Principle and F1 Chief Designer's
The Deuce you must work in an engineering industry full of duffers
A good engineer is typically one that doesn't make assumptions and instead considers all aspects of cause and effect in what they're assessing. Why did you make an assumption about the talent level of those I had worked with based on comments that revealed absolutely nothing about the level of talent
GiantCardboardPlato said:
alisdairm said:
I always though the 'Still We Rise' phrase was part of a sponsorship deal he had with Viagra?
You may write me down in historyWith your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.
Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
’Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.
Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.
Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops,
Weakened by my soulful cries?
Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
’Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin’ in my own backyard.
You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I’ll rise.
Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?
Out of the huts of history’s shame
I rise
Up from a past that’s rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that’s wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.
Sometimes I wonder how far we have come. And some do much to promulgate the feeling.
Niponeoff said:
I value your input to this thread as you work in F1. But let's not pretend F1 is the highest pressure work on the planet. You wouldn't last 5 minutes in a job that doesn't suit you either, whatever that might be. Whether it be cold and wet at sea, covered in grease and oil, working to deadlines in other industries, sweating your cobs off on a forced march or eating rations on the battlefield. Maybe show a wee bit more humility.
Touche on rant.
Agree 100%, extremely good retort, seriously, thanks for the reply, I needed that but it's only a 3/10 on the rantomometer scale, needed to be a bit longer though Touche on rant.
The Deuce, never considered myself a good engineer but a never written a Powerpoint, mathematical ungifted, never give up design engineer that with a bit of luck should see a F1 car I've helped design complete a full race distance for the 1000th time this weekend
Getting back on subject, all teams will be competitively capitaliseing the job security instability and lack of high management/driver endorsement of the technical structure at Mercedes to actively strengthen their own technical departments
The well organised F1 teams will know who all the key people are, in all the other teams, who does what, which senior designers/engineers to approach etc etc
Seems a few teams are making all sorts of technical changes and team principles making public comments about weak technical leadership than the normal churn
Guessing with the big technical changes with 2026 coming up, teams are evaluating their technical competence with a bit more scrutiny ie time to replace key people or time to add reinforcements
marine boy said:
The Deuce, never considered myself a good engineer but a never written a Powerpoint, mathematical ungifted, never give up design engineer that with a bit of luck should see a F1 car I've helped design complete a full race distance for the 1000th time this weekend
An F1 car that's about to complete a full race distance for the 1000th time? I assume you were involved in the design of a standardised component/solution that has been used across several F1 cars then? Safety device? Electrical?Genuinely interested
I have also never written a powerpoint, although I don't think that's a typical requirement of good engineering. I'm pretty sharp on basic maths but I left school at 14 so missed out on the 'importance' of trigonometry etc, I left having been suspended for visiting the heads office after a detention to ask why the school was using (free) acorn computers to teach IT when it was clear that the IBM compatible system was the industry leader - and also wouldn't run my CAD software so was basically useless. Funnily enough I don't need complex maths when I can use CAD to design so I maintain it was the right time to give up on the education system - which was very antiquated in the 90's and I saw a totally different world ahead of me. Humans are good for imagining and visualising solutions. Machines are good for calculations. I've never understood the purpose of trying to teach humans to do complex calculations since the advent of the pocket calculator which can be bought for a few quid. I can manually calculate hoop stress and hydrostatic pressure which is useful in casual conversation with those I'm working with, but for the final hurdle of design I'll use the computer
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 30th March 01:14
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 30th March 01:15
PhilAsia said:
TheDeuce said:
......I can manually calculate hoop stress and hydrostatic pressure which is useful in casual conversation......
Loving the chat-up lines TheDeuce!! (I get the original point - there is lots of other jobs with long hours etc that if you’re not interested in then you’ll struggle/leave).
TheDeuce said:
I've never understood the purpose of trying to teach humans to do complex calculations since the advent of the pocket calculator which can be bought for a few quid.
I think it’s so some people can learn/know how to programme the software you’ll use to do the calculations for you (I am also crap at maths)marine boy said:
Agree 100%, extremely good retort, seriously, thanks for the reply, I needed that but it's only a 3/10 on the rantomometer scale, needed to be a bit longer though
The Deuce, never considered myself a good engineer but a never written a Powerpoint, mathematical ungifted, never give up design engineer that with a bit of luck should see a F1 car I've helped design complete a full race distance for the 1000th time this weekend
Talk to me once you're responsible for two cars catching fire on the grid.... The Deuce, never considered myself a good engineer but a never written a Powerpoint, mathematical ungifted, never give up design engineer that with a bit of luck should see a F1 car I've helped design complete a full race distance for the 1000th time this weekend
sandman77 said:
BrettMRC said:
Talk to me once you're responsible for two cars catching fire on the grid....
That sounds like a story you need to share with us. Shame it was the wrong drawing... all going really well until the end of the formation lap. (1999 Australia, and then even the revised part caused issues later on in year.)
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