Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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thegreenhell said:
Cold said:
The leave it on a shelf in the trophy cabinet.
Aston Martin F1 has a trophy cabinet?
Might be needing a slightly bigger one soon..
Video..
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/163862356...
Deesee said:
thegreenhell said:
Cold said:
The leave it on a shelf in the trophy cabinet.
Aston Martin F1 has a trophy cabinet?Might be needing a slightly bigger one soon..
Video..
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/163862356...
TheDeuce said:
Sunday just gone where RB clearly manipulated space for Max to easily take fastest lap to ensure he remained just ahead of Checo id the WDC.
Apologies as I'm just catching up on the end of this thread, but can you help me understand why you've drawn this conclusion? All I've seen is both race engineers telling their respective drivers to target a 33.0, and both drivers ignoring these instructions? Then Max being told not to go for fastest lap (and him ignoring that), and Checo being told he had the fastest lap when he asked, which he did?I don't know if Checo's race engineer speaks to Max's race engineer to be honest, but are you of the mind that Checo's engineer knew that despite being told not to go for it, Max had said he was interested in the fastest lap, and thus deliberately didn't tell Checo about this in order to disadvantage Checo / advantage Max?
If the team didn't want the drivers going for fastest lap, and one of them ignores it and does go for it, are they supposed to then go "Checo, the team doesn't want either of you going for fastest lap, but we expect Max is going to anyway, so you should also ignore us and go for it too?"
Quite feasible I've missed something (I haven't paid much attention to the media chunterings since the race) I'm just going by the radio transcripts that seem to be pretty widely accepted as genuine.
Seems as good a place as any to mention this. I was just double checking the calendar to ensure there wasn't a GP this weekend and noticed what a mess the early part of the season calendar is. Aside from the bizarre way, the F1 circus zig zags back and forward across the globe, why do we have a 4 week gap between Aus and Baku and then a 1 week gap from Baku to Miami?
The hypocrisy of running different fuel, reducing engine size all in the name of targeting eco friendly, the carbon footprint of the F1 calendar is disgusting. The bouncing across the globe over different weeks is maddening, makes no sense to me, but perhaps there's a legitimate reason
Gad-Westy said:
Seems as good a place as any to mention this. I was just double checking the calendar to ensure there wasn't a GP this weekend and noticed what a mess the early part of the season calendar is. Aside from the bizarre way, the F1 circus zig zags back and forward across the globe, why do we have a 4 week gap between Aus and Baku and then a 1 week gap from Baku to Miami?
No defense from me on the zig-zagging but the four week gap is due to the cancelled Chinese GP. SturdyHSV said:
Gad-Westy said:
why do we have a 4 week gap between Aus and Baku and then a 1 week gap from Baku to Miami?
I think it's because China was supposed to be race 4 in the middle of that gap.SturdyHSV said:
TheDeuce said:
Sunday just gone where RB clearly manipulated space for Max to easily take fastest lap to ensure he remained just ahead of Checo id the WDC.
Apologies as I'm just catching up on the end of this thread, but can you help me understand why you've drawn this conclusion? All I've seen is both race engineers telling their respective drivers to target a 33.0, and both drivers ignoring these instructions? Then Max being told not to go for fastest lap (and him ignoring that), and Checo being told he had the fastest lap when he asked, which he did?I don't know if Checo's race engineer speaks to Max's race engineer to be honest, but are you of the mind that Checo's engineer knew that despite being told not to go for it, Max had said he was interested in the fastest lap, and thus deliberately didn't tell Checo about this in order to disadvantage Checo / advantage Max?
If the team didn't want the drivers going for fastest lap, and one of them ignores it and does go for it, are they supposed to then go "Checo, the team doesn't want either of you going for fastest lap, but we expect Max is going to anyway, so you should also ignore us and go for it too?"
Quite feasible I've missed something (I haven't paid much attention to the media chunterings since the race) I'm just going by the radio transcripts that seem to be pretty widely accepted as genuine.
RB Will said:
SturdyHSV said:
TheDeuce said:
Sunday just gone where RB clearly manipulated space for Max to easily take fastest lap to ensure he remained just ahead of Checo id the WDC.
Apologies as I'm just catching up on the end of this thread, but can you help me understand why you've drawn this conclusion? All I've seen is both race engineers telling their respective drivers to target a 33.0, and both drivers ignoring these instructions? Then Max being told not to go for fastest lap (and him ignoring that), and Checo being told he had the fastest lap when he asked, which he did?I don't know if Checo's race engineer speaks to Max's race engineer to be honest, but are you of the mind that Checo's engineer knew that despite being told not to go for it, Max had said he was interested in the fastest lap, and thus deliberately didn't tell Checo about this in order to disadvantage Checo / advantage Max?
If the team didn't want the drivers going for fastest lap, and one of them ignores it and does go for it, are they supposed to then go "Checo, the team doesn't want either of you going for fastest lap, but we expect Max is going to anyway, so you should also ignore us and go for it too?"
Quite feasible I've missed something (I haven't paid much attention to the media chunterings since the race) I'm just going by the radio transcripts that seem to be pretty widely accepted as genuine.
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
Curious. Did Perez do all the prep for the fastest lap?
Neither driver got told to do prep over radio so they did/didn't of their own volition. Certainly Perez could/should have noticed Max dropping back and deduced he was harvesting. Did his times show Perez was harvesting too?
CoolHands said:
Perez is just not top tier, that’s why he doesn’t notice things like that.
Unlikely he "didnt notice", I remarked to the Mrs that max was harvesting when she said he was losing time, and I think Perez is a bit closer to the top tier than I am.Probably another reason, knew his tyres were done keeping ahead of max or something.
Perez had the fastest lap from Lap 38 with a 1.322. Max was told that he did not need the fast lap, then took it.
Perez had him covered on the delta every lap bar the last. Taking the delta from 4 seconds to 7 seconds in the stint before the last lap.
There was only Bottas that was blue flagged for both, so no troublesome backmarkers to overcome or extra DRS.
It’s seems a tad petulant from Maxi, Rosberg stated Max walked out of the de brief after FP2 unhappy, then post race sitting aloft in the P1 seat in the cool-down room, that’s bad form.
TBH I thought he had grown out of this after last year, where at times he was imperious.
Perez had him covered on the delta every lap bar the last. Taking the delta from 4 seconds to 7 seconds in the stint before the last lap.
There was only Bottas that was blue flagged for both, so no troublesome backmarkers to overcome or extra DRS.
It’s seems a tad petulant from Maxi, Rosberg stated Max walked out of the de brief after FP2 unhappy, then post race sitting aloft in the P1 seat in the cool-down room, that’s bad form.
TBH I thought he had grown out of this after last year, where at times he was imperious.
Deesee said:
Perez had the fastest lap from Lap 38 with a 1.322. Max was told that he did not need the fast lap, then took it.
Perez had him covered on the delta every lap bar the last. Taking the delta from 4 seconds to 7 seconds in the stint before the last lap.
There was only Bottas that was blue flagged for both, so no troublesome backmarkers to overcome or extra DRS.
It’s seems a tad petulant from Maxi, Rosberg stated Max walked out of the de brief after FP2 unhappy, then post race sitting aloft in the P1 seat in the cool-down room, that’s bad form.
TBH I thought he had grown out of this after last year, where at times he was imperious.
Notice he didn't drive his car to the grid with the other podium places after the race, but to the pit lane? Was there any reason offered for that? You just know there's the mother of all meltdowns brewing there. A lot of the commentariat simply don't like to criticise max/red bull or acknowledge a few things - they're now excited that red bull have [apparently] decided they can win as a constructor not being driver led. Yeah right, watch this spacePerez had him covered on the delta every lap bar the last. Taking the delta from 4 seconds to 7 seconds in the stint before the last lap.
There was only Bottas that was blue flagged for both, so no troublesome backmarkers to overcome or extra DRS.
It’s seems a tad petulant from Maxi, Rosberg stated Max walked out of the de brief after FP2 unhappy, then post race sitting aloft in the P1 seat in the cool-down room, that’s bad form.
TBH I thought he had grown out of this after last year, where at times he was imperious.
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