The Official F1 2025 silly season *contains speculation*
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vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Mercedes milking every last penny they can out of Hamilton then. No wonder he can't wait until the end of the year
Or honouring a 1+1 contract?DanielSan said:
vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Mercedes milking every last penny they can out of Hamilton then. No wonder he can't wait until the end of the year
Or honouring a 1+1 contract?There's also the small matter of him and his team celebrating a record breaking period of dominance once this season is done. It would be a bit weird if he was wearing red when he took part in that...
the-norseman said:
Mercedes just dont want him to have time in the 2024 Ferrari.
Ferrari really aren't bothered about Sainz having time in the 2024 Williams.
I'm sure Mercedes dont 'want' that, I can't imagine why they would want such a thing.Ferrari really aren't bothered about Sainz having time in the 2024 Williams.
But I'm equally sure that has nothing to do with the fact he's fulfilling his time as Merc driver this year, ahead of going to Ferrari next season. Why on earth would he or the team not wish to complete the contract in place in a professional and mutually agreeable manner
The exact opposite is true of Ferrari and Sainz. Plainly Sainz has ended up as a victim between the corporate/media might of Charles and Lewis, he had to go - but Ferrari appear to be playing sensitively and letting him have his opportunity to embed at Williams ASAP.
Can you really not see the circumstantial difference between these two situations?
nnnitram said:
braddo said:
As you're in NZ, maybe go and tell your local Maoris that tradition is a cancer and see how you get on.
Weird thing to bring up but I agree, however I'm not looking to get cancelled.Tradition has a value often, and a powerful influence always. The former is why Monaco remains on the calendar, the latter is why you won't be asking the Maoris' to shuffle off - because you know that would be stupid.
Can understand if Lewis is held to his contract. Jumping in a direct competitors car early could help the development gain at least a month if he offers some insight to something they haven't thought of.
Ferrari letting sainz get in a williams probably means they dont expect them to push Ferrari down the order.
Of course they could just be typical overconfident we dont need newey italians lol.
Ferrari letting sainz get in a williams probably means they dont expect them to push Ferrari down the order.
Of course they could just be typical overconfident we dont need newey italians lol.
hondajack85 said:
Can understand if Lewis is held to his contract. Jumping in a direct competitors car early could help the development gain at least a month if he offers some insight to something they haven't thought of.
Ferrari letting sainz get in a williams probably means they dont expect them to push Ferrari down the order.
Of course they could just be typical overconfident we dont need newey italians lol.
Maybe they should let Lewis go to Ferrari now and take all of the W15 drawings with him. That should slow down Ferrari for 2025.Ferrari letting sainz get in a williams probably means they dont expect them to push Ferrari down the order.
Of course they could just be typical overconfident we dont need newey italians lol.
Not confirmed officially, Zhou to be the Ferrari reserve driver after Bearman going to Haas and Shwartzman going to Indycar https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/19768...
ajprice said:
Not confirmed officially, Zhou to be the Ferrari reserve driver after Bearman going to Haas and Shwartzman going to Indycar https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/19768...
I suppose Fred knows more than us following their work together but he's hardly shown anything remarkable during his time, of the two I'd have rather had Bottas.PRO5T said:
ajprice said:
Not confirmed officially, Zhou to be the Ferrari reserve driver after Bearman going to Haas and Shwartzman going to Indycar https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/19768...
I suppose Fred knows more than us following their work together but he's hardly shown anything remarkable during his time, of the two I'd have rather had Bottas.Mark-C said:
PRO5T said:
ajprice said:
Not confirmed officially, Zhou to be the Ferrari reserve driver after Bearman going to Haas and Shwartzman going to Indycar https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/19768...
I suppose Fred knows more than us following their work together but he's hardly shown anything remarkable during his time, of the two I'd have rather had Bottas.From the Austrian GP on the 30th June 2024 until last weekend's Las Vegas GP, there have been 12 winners in 12 races (7 different drivers from 4 teams).
So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
Supersam83 said:
From the Austrian GP on the 30th June 2024 until last weekend's Las Vegas GP, there have been 12 winners in 12 races (7 different drivers from 4 teams).
So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
Still time for Perez to win the last two So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
andburg said:
And bottas likely back as test/dev for Mercedes
But there is now agreement for GM for 2026, and I'm guessing they will want one solid, experienced driver and one American (for brand purposes).They will likely have the Ferrari engine for a few years, and are unlikely to be winning any time soon.
Bottas or Yuki might be idea as their experienced driver. I know this thread is about 2025 but I think GM creates some options for 2025 destinations as well.
There was an interesting stat on BBC today....
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When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha
This is a really difficult question to answer, because how do you define what is the fastest car? You can look at average qualifying performance for the fastest car outright over one lap, but that is not always the same as the fastest car in the race. And what about the driver factor, and how much difference that makes?
On that basis, the question contains an incorrect assumption. It implies that the Red Bull has not been the fastest car on average in qualifying so far in 2024. But actually it has - by 0.078 seconds.
However, that number is skewed by Red Bull’s domination of the early races. Because if you take the average only from Miami onwards, when McLaren introduced their major upgrade that transformed their pace, the McLaren is fastest, by 0.038secs.
And over the second half of the season, that number goes up to 0.124secs.
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When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha
This is a really difficult question to answer, because how do you define what is the fastest car? You can look at average qualifying performance for the fastest car outright over one lap, but that is not always the same as the fastest car in the race. And what about the driver factor, and how much difference that makes?
On that basis, the question contains an incorrect assumption. It implies that the Red Bull has not been the fastest car on average in qualifying so far in 2024. But actually it has - by 0.078 seconds.
However, that number is skewed by Red Bull’s domination of the early races. Because if you take the average only from Miami onwards, when McLaren introduced their major upgrade that transformed their pace, the McLaren is fastest, by 0.038secs.
And over the second half of the season, that number goes up to 0.124secs.
Supersam83 said:
From the Austrian GP on the 30th June 2024 until last weekend's Las Vegas GP, there have been 12 winners in 12 races (7 different drivers from 4 teams).
So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
Hopefully without the first third of the season being, IMHO, dropped into the RB WDC hat - obviously a few more DNFs for brake fires would have evened up the RBR vs the Rest playing field, rather than the mid season manufactured can-Lando-catch-M1x BS...So far this season:
Max winning 8 races.
Lando winning 3 races.
Leclerc winning 3 races.
Oscar winning 2 races.
Russell winning 2 races.
Sainz Jr winning 2 races.
Hamilton winning 2 races.
The 2025 season is shaping up to be a mega one!
Here's hoping..., but not optimistic.
White-Noise said:
There was an interesting stat on BBC today....
..............
When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha
This is a really difficult question to answer, because how do you define what is the fastest car? You can look at average qualifying performance for the fastest car outright over one lap, but that is not always the same as the fastest car in the race. And what about the driver factor, and how much difference that makes?
On that basis, the question contains an incorrect assumption. It implies that the Red Bull has not been the fastest car on average in qualifying so far in 2024. But actually it has - by 0.078 seconds.
However, that number is skewed by Red Bull’s domination of the early races. Because if you take the average only from Miami onwards, when McLaren introduced their major upgrade that transformed their pace, the McLaren is fastest, by 0.038secs.
And over the second half of the season, that number goes up to 0.124secs.
The only reason Max did not win ALL of the initial races was because his oh-so-not-illegal-brake caused a DNF. Anyone who thought the RB was not the fastest car over the course of the season - and right in the mix when mildly detuned - needs their head examined...............
When was the last time a drivers' championship was won without the fastest car on season average? - Juha
This is a really difficult question to answer, because how do you define what is the fastest car? You can look at average qualifying performance for the fastest car outright over one lap, but that is not always the same as the fastest car in the race. And what about the driver factor, and how much difference that makes?
On that basis, the question contains an incorrect assumption. It implies that the Red Bull has not been the fastest car on average in qualifying so far in 2024. But actually it has - by 0.078 seconds.
However, that number is skewed by Red Bull’s domination of the early races. Because if you take the average only from Miami onwards, when McLaren introduced their major upgrade that transformed their pace, the McLaren is fastest, by 0.038secs.
And over the second half of the season, that number goes up to 0.124secs.
NB. Yes, I am aware I need my head examined....
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