Official 2024 British Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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LHRFlightman said:
732NM said:
LHRFlightman said:
Massi and family. Smashed up a jet ski and denied it. Refused to pay for the damages.
Just like AD21 then, smashed up a championship and scarpered.Great line though.
TheDeuce said:
I have no problem acknowledging that the failure probably wasn't related to whatever power they ran.
But surely if it's blanked off in terms of air flow, they would blank it off as much as possible whilst maintaining the normal safe level of cooling ability - if they do that and also increase the power, which puts more heat energy into that system, it has to have the potential to increase the chance of a coolant system failure doesn't it..?
You are barking up the wrong tree.But surely if it's blanked off in terms of air flow, they would blank it off as much as possible whilst maintaining the normal safe level of cooling ability - if they do that and also increase the power, which puts more heat energy into that system, it has to have the potential to increase the chance of a coolant system failure doesn't it..?
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
The cooling system is more than capable of handling any power increase, they run with most of it blanked off to reduce drag at the cooler venues in Europe. These things run at very high coolant temperatures. Cooling capacity isn't a problem.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
pingu393 said:
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
The cooling system is more than capable of handling any power increase, they run with most of it blanked off to reduce drag at the cooler venues in Europe. These things run at very high coolant temperatures. Cooling capacity isn't a problem.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
If the coolant system was less stressed at Silverstone than, say, Austria the week before - wouldn't that just mean they had wasted some potential for lowering drag? I'd have thought they'd want the cooling system to be run as close to it's safe limit as possible at each circuit, so they can reduce drag as much as possible as a result.
silentbrown said:
Am I the only one surprised that it was referred to as a WATER system failure, rather than using some esoteric liquid.
It's not straight water, I imagine glycol is added - or whatever the F1 equivalent is! But as with road cars, it's still referred to as 'water cooled'.The only other water based system on the car is the drivers drinking bottle and tube - I doubt he retired because of that though
TheDeuce said:
pingu393 said:
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
The cooling system is more than capable of handling any power increase, they run with most of it blanked off to reduce drag at the cooler venues in Europe. These things run at very high coolant temperatures. Cooling capacity isn't a problem.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
If the coolant system was less stressed at Silverstone than, say, Austria the week before - wouldn't that just mean they had wasted some potential for lowering drag? I'd have thought they'd want the cooling system to be run as close to it's safe limit as possible at each circuit, so they can reduce drag as much as possible as a result.
Hustle_ said:
I imagine coolant in F1 has approximately zero water in it?
Got me to google it now..https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/car-cooling-syst...
pingu393 said:
TheDeuce said:
pingu393 said:
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
The cooling system is more than capable of handling any power increase, they run with most of it blanked off to reduce drag at the cooler venues in Europe. These things run at very high coolant temperatures. Cooling capacity isn't a problem.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
If the coolant system was less stressed at Silverstone than, say, Austria the week before - wouldn't that just mean they had wasted some potential for lowering drag? I'd have thought they'd want the cooling system to be run as close to it's safe limit as possible at each circuit, so they can reduce drag as much as possible as a result.
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
No team I have ever worked with ever runs anything at less than 100% unless there is a problem, to say they turned it up is a bit naive.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
732NM said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
The cooling system is more than capable of handling any power increase, they run with most of it blanked off to reduce drag at the cooler venues in Europe. These things run at very high coolant temperatures. Cooling capacity isn't a problem.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
But surely if it's blanked off in terms of air flow, they would blank it off as much as possible whilst maintaining the normal safe level of cooling ability - if they do that and also increase the power, which puts more heat energy into that system, it has to have the potential to increase the chance of a coolant system failure doesn't it..?
Back in the old days we used to use qualy engine's that were only good for a few laps, but that doesn't happen now, they may turn the engine down for reliability sometimes, but they run as close to max where possible, and the cooling systems are more than capable at any power level, it probably lost coolant pressure, that would make it overheat, as normally they pressurise so the boiling point is higher, hotter engines are more efficient
richhead said:
TheDeuce said:
Probably, but the harder the system has to work, the hotter the coolant becomes, it could increase the chance of a failure at some point in the coolant circuit.
As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
No team I have ever worked with ever runs anything at less than 100% unless there is a problem, to say they turned it up is a bit naive.As you say, it could very well just be an ill timed minor failure. Either way, I suspect they did push the PU's a little for the sake of glory.
Now they have to settle upon a single power mode for the quality and race, so it's a compromise between the most power and the minimum reliability they need to attain. That compromise can be pushed in favour of more power if a home race or key race weekend justifies it.
How is that not 'turning it up'?
TheDeuce said:
Thats plainly not true, they used to use different power modes for qualifying, then turned to a lower power mode for the race. The power unit components have a finite life, they used to be turned up only when needed for a specific session and then turned back down to extend their life for the target number of races.
Now they have to settle upon a single power mode for the quality and race, so it's a compromise between the most power and the minimum reliability they need to attain. That compromise can be pushed in favour of more power if a home race or key race weekend justifies it.
How is that not 'turning it up'?
What I was very badly trying to say is that they run them for the best power for the circuit they are at, they don't "turn them up " for any race, as there is a limit on engines, like I said, we used to have pretty much unlimited engines, so qualy engines etc, that's just not the case now, I now work in wec and the hours the engine have to do now is massive, it's getting that way in F1 as well, you wouldn't risk a failure if you could avoid it as the penalty is harshNow they have to settle upon a single power mode for the quality and race, so it's a compromise between the most power and the minimum reliability they need to attain. That compromise can be pushed in favour of more power if a home race or key race weekend justifies it.
How is that not 'turning it up'?
TheDeuce said:
Hustle_ said:
I imagine coolant in F1 has approximately zero water in it?
Got me to google it now..https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/car-cooling-syst...
The coolant itself is, as your link suggests, a pressurised water/glycol mix, and they use the minimum amount of cooling they can get away with for the circuit conditions, as the cooling inlets and outlets affect the aerodynamic performance of the car Whatever the issue was, it wasn’t something they could fix by removing some tape from the radiator inlet.
tele_lover said:
I thought this too. I was a little disappointed with Martin to be honest.
He'll go and speak with some moron celebrity but brushed-off an excited minister showing some personality.
I think you're ignoring the part where the minister's paid thug grabbed MB by the shoulder! The correct reaction from MB would have been to punch him in the face and tell them both to fHe'll go and speak with some moron celebrity but brushed-off an excited minister showing some personality.
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