F1's seriously evaluating return to V10 engines
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The last F1 race I went to was Monaco 2005. The sound of the V10’s was insane. Walking up to casino square as practice began, the whole principality echoed with the screaming exhaust notes. The crackles and gunshots as the cars decelerated bounced off the buildings. It was an assault on the senses and it was wonderful.
The spectacle of F1 peaked in those days IMO and the change to V8’s and then hybrids only served to diminish the experience.
The spectacle of F1 peaked in those days IMO and the change to V8’s and then hybrids only served to diminish the experience.
24lemons said:
The last F1 race I went to was Monaco 2005. The sound of the V10’s was insane. Walking up to casino square as practice began, the whole principality echoed with the screaming exhaust notes. The crackles and gunshots as the cars decelerated bounced off the buildings. It was an assault on the senses and it was wonderful.
The spectacle of F1 peaked in those days IMO and the change to V8’s and then hybrids only served to diminish the experience.
The spectacle of F1 peaked in those days IMO and the change to V8’s and then hybrids only served to diminish the experience.
24lemons said:
The last F1 race I went to was Monaco 2005. The sound of the V10’s was insane. Walking up to casino square as practice began, the whole principality echoed with the screaming exhaust notes. The crackles and gunshots as the cars decelerated bounced off the buildings. It was an assault on the senses and it was wonderful.
As I said earlier, I was there in 2003 and agree totally.paulguitar said:
Anything would be better than now but I can't see anything like that happening. Apparently, they are looking at extra compulsory pitstops to try to liven it up a bit.
Yep the plan is to make cars use all three tyre compounds in the race.Fans of pit overtakes are delighted. It'll do nothing for the on-track spectacle.
HardtopManual said:
paulguitar said:
Anything would be better than now but I can't see anything like that happening. Apparently, they are looking at extra compulsory pitstops to try to liven it up a bit.
Yep the plan is to make cars use all three tyre compounds in the race.Fans of pit overtakes are delighted. It'll do nothing for the on-track spectacle.
Siao said:
HardtopManual said:
paulguitar said:
Anything would be better than now but I can't see anything like that happening. Apparently, they are looking at extra compulsory pitstops to try to liven it up a bit.
Yep the plan is to make cars use all three tyre compounds in the race.Fans of pit overtakes are delighted. It'll do nothing for the on-track spectacle.
Siao said:
TheDeuce said:
We were talking about the future of F1 as and when suitably dense battery storage allows a full GP distance, I agree that battery swapping etc would be really dull and I really don't imagine the sport would go in that direction.
The pause for a super-fast charge might be a route to go down 'if' they want to electrify as soon as possible, but I suspect they will actually justify the use of ICE for as long as possible due to batteries being inadequate. I would favour that because it's a genuine reason to retain ICE for longer. Once batteries alone are capable however, the situation would flip and it would become increasingly odd to hang on to ICE after that. Keeping in mind that by that point, the current trend would suggest the ICE would already be little more than a portable battery charger, not exactly the star of the show.
I am not sure what you disagree with my post, I just pointed out the shortfalls of the McMurtry in racing, but anyway. The problem with batteries is that it is a technology that hasn't changed much in the last few decades (I am not an expert, but I think the last major breakthrough was the Li batteries in the 80's and very recently the solid-state batteries do look promising, but have their own challenges). I'm not sure that there is a battery that is small enough and also capable to do a full GP distance at full beans at the moment.The pause for a super-fast charge might be a route to go down 'if' they want to electrify as soon as possible, but I suspect they will actually justify the use of ICE for as long as possible due to batteries being inadequate. I would favour that because it's a genuine reason to retain ICE for longer. Once batteries alone are capable however, the situation would flip and it would become increasingly odd to hang on to ICE after that. Keeping in mind that by that point, the current trend would suggest the ICE would already be little more than a portable battery charger, not exactly the star of the show.
I just can't see this happening within the next few years (the V10s were reportedly considered for the next regs change in 2030). I too would favour ICE with bio-fuels or something over batteries though.
I can tell you for certain that they are not available now, not for any money, and ain't be for at least another decade - at least not sufficient to do a GP distance.
lloydie-67 said:
Could they not use Monaco as a Heritage Event?
Teams run older versions of cars with current drivers
Have the teams design and build a prototype version of a Superkart just for Monaco. Now that would be worth watching! Teams run older versions of cars with current drivers
They could even auction them all off afterwards for charity.
(But it seems they’ve gone for the introduction of two compulsory pit stops if it’s a dry race).
TheDeuce said:
Siao said:
TheDeuce said:
We were talking about the future of F1 as and when suitably dense battery storage allows a full GP distance, I agree that battery swapping etc would be really dull and I really don't imagine the sport would go in that direction.
The pause for a super-fast charge might be a route to go down 'if' they want to electrify as soon as possible, but I suspect they will actually justify the use of ICE for as long as possible due to batteries being inadequate. I would favour that because it's a genuine reason to retain ICE for longer. Once batteries alone are capable however, the situation would flip and it would become increasingly odd to hang on to ICE after that. Keeping in mind that by that point, the current trend would suggest the ICE would already be little more than a portable battery charger, not exactly the star of the show.
I am not sure what you disagree with my post, I just pointed out the shortfalls of the McMurtry in racing, but anyway. The problem with batteries is that it is a technology that hasn't changed much in the last few decades (I am not an expert, but I think the last major breakthrough was the Li batteries in the 80's and very recently the solid-state batteries do look promising, but have their own challenges). I'm not sure that there is a battery that is small enough and also capable to do a full GP distance at full beans at the moment.The pause for a super-fast charge might be a route to go down 'if' they want to electrify as soon as possible, but I suspect they will actually justify the use of ICE for as long as possible due to batteries being inadequate. I would favour that because it's a genuine reason to retain ICE for longer. Once batteries alone are capable however, the situation would flip and it would become increasingly odd to hang on to ICE after that. Keeping in mind that by that point, the current trend would suggest the ICE would already be little more than a portable battery charger, not exactly the star of the show.
I just can't see this happening within the next few years (the V10s were reportedly considered for the next regs change in 2030). I too would favour ICE with bio-fuels or something over batteries though.
I can tell you for certain that they are not available now, not for any money, and ain't be for at least another decade - at least not sufficient to do a GP distance.
paulguitar said:
Siao said:
HardtopManual said:
paulguitar said:
Anything would be better than now but I can't see anything like that happening. Apparently, they are looking at extra compulsory pitstops to try to liven it up a bit.
Yep the plan is to make cars use all three tyre compounds in the race.Fans of pit overtakes are delighted. It'll do nothing for the on-track spectacle.
Sandpit Steve said:
Have the teams design and build a prototype version of a Superkart just for Monaco. Now that would be worth watching!
They could even auction them all off afterwards for charity.
(But it seems they’ve gone for the introduction of two compulsory pit stops if it’s a dry race).
I suggested earlier running super karts around there. I think being realistic one issue (amongst many) is that it would be crazily dangerous. This should give some idea:They could even auction them all off afterwards for charity.
(But it seems they’ve gone for the introduction of two compulsory pit stops if it’s a dry race).
F1 is the only sport I have a passion for, watched pretty much every race and quali since the mid 2000’s, I used to go to Silverstone every year, but have only been 3 times since 2014, the best sounding cars were the F3’s who were still
Using the NA’s, even the Porsches sounded better than the spectacle.
I don’t have the desire to go through the misery of the traffic getting in and out of the place for the current cars, as let’s face it, nothing compares to the TV when you want to actually follow the race, the sound was what made me want to actually go and see them live.
Using the NA’s, even the Porsches sounded better than the spectacle.
I don’t have the desire to go through the misery of the traffic getting in and out of the place for the current cars, as let’s face it, nothing compares to the TV when you want to actually follow the race, the sound was what made me want to actually go and see them live.
usn90 said:
F1 is the only sport I have a passion for, watched pretty much every race and quali since the mid 2000’s, I used to go to Silverstone every year, but have only been 3 times since 2014, the best sounding cars were the F3’s who were still
Using the NA’s, even the Porsches sounded better than the spectacle.
I don’t have the desire to go through the misery of the traffic getting in and out of the place for the current cars, as let’s face it, nothing compares to the TV when you want to actually follow the race, the sound was what made me want to actually go and see them live.
Yes, it's much the same for me. I do go to Silverstone most years if I am in the UK at the time. But the prices have become insane. Silverstone is a really cynical money-grabbing operation and the cars are now seriously underwhelming live, as you say.Using the NA’s, even the Porsches sounded better than the spectacle.
I don’t have the desire to go through the misery of the traffic getting in and out of the place for the current cars, as let’s face it, nothing compares to the TV when you want to actually follow the race, the sound was what made me want to actually go and see them live.
What I have started doing, rather than handing over huge sums to the money grabbers, is to get a ticket via a Facebook group at the last minute. I pay less, and it's not going directly to Silverstone. I think if I am around, I will just go for quali this year and then watch the race on TV with a few drinks.
cholo said:
It's a fair call. Why should "the pinnacle of motorsport" have any relevance to commuter vehicles ?cholo said:
That all seems entirely implausible to me.Manufacturers have invested millions, if not billions, on 2026 engines - Red Bull/Ford being a significant one of them
The notion that all that will just be chucked away 12 months before it was due to be rolled out and we carry on as we are for a couple of years is total fantasy.
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