Adrian Newey starts work at Aston Martin
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Hustle_ said:
Jonathan Wheatley (supposedly inbound) ought to have Newey's ear.
The management revolving door is reminiscent of Alpine in recent years. I just reminded myself that Newey replaced Andy Cowell as team principal. Difficult to unpick who to hold accountable and to what extent for the 2026 V1 car. Who dropped the b
k on the Honda collab. And if Newey came in too aggressive then who was supposed to keep him sensible?
Cowell didn't come across as a massively inspiring leader whenever I heard him.The management revolving door is reminiscent of Alpine in recent years. I just reminded myself that Newey replaced Andy Cowell as team principal. Difficult to unpick who to hold accountable and to what extent for the 2026 V1 car. Who dropped the b
k on the Honda collab. And if Newey came in too aggressive then who was supposed to keep him sensible?Jonathan Wheatley would be great. They would be Aston's Zak and Andrea.
Edited by tele_lover on Sunday 21st June 06:10
tele_lover said:
Frimley111R said:
ScuderiaDave1337 said:
Do we know if there's a B-spec of the Honda PU coming as well? I don't understand how they've made such a mess of the regulations considering the amount of time Newey was working on the car...
As much as anything it was down to Newey/AM not understanding the fundamental point that Honda didn't have experienced F1 engine engineers just sitting around. What they had done in recent years was mostly out of date and engineers had moved on. Suddenly expecting Honda to come up with a competitive power unit was naïve to say the least.Apparently they hoping to have a major engine upgrade ready for Spa next month.
Crofty said:
"As for Aston Martin, given the money that has been spent there and the expertise at that team, if anyone is celebrating that point, I will be very, very surprised, and they have little or nothing to celebrate from Monaco. It's not a power track. So all those problems that were Honda-associated... Now I think we're beginning to realise it's not just about Honda. It's a bit about the chassis as well, and a bit about the aero and a bit about the gearbox and everything. It's not just all about Honda.
The fact of the matter is that the team has done a bad job so far. But the only way is up from here.Did Alonso end up getting lapped by Albon in the end? They mentioned it when he was ~57 seconds behind, but in the general excitement of the end of the race I forgot to keep an eye on it.
Considering they were lapping over 71 seconds a lap, and it's a 71 lap race, you're looking at being an average of over a second a lap slower. Aston being that far off the back of Williams, who are themselves having a terrible season, can't be good for morale at the team.
Let's hope the 'spec B' car is a significant improvement.
Considering they were lapping over 71 seconds a lap, and it's a 71 lap race, you're looking at being an average of over a second a lap slower. Aston being that far off the back of Williams, who are themselves having a terrible season, can't be good for morale at the team.
Let's hope the 'spec B' car is a significant improvement.
SturdyHSV said:
Did Alonso end up getting lapped by Albon in the end? They mentioned it when he was ~57 seconds behind, but in the general excitement of the end of the race I forgot to keep an eye on it.
Considering they were lapping over 71 seconds a lap, and it's a 71 lap race, you're looking at being an average of over a second a lap slower. Aston being that far off the back of Williams, who are themselves having a terrible season, can't be good for morale at the team.
Let's hope the 'spec B' car is a significant improvement.
Not quite, Alonso was lapped for the 3rd time by the leader a couple of laps from the end, and Albon was about 30s back on the track at the end of the race. Alonso did 68 laps and Albon 69. Considering they were lapping over 71 seconds a lap, and it's a 71 lap race, you're looking at being an average of over a second a lap slower. Aston being that far off the back of Williams, who are themselves having a terrible season, can't be good for morale at the team.
Let's hope the 'spec B' car is a significant improvement.
https://www.fia.com/system/files/decision-document...
thegreenhell said:
tele_lover said:
Frimley111R said:
ScuderiaDave1337 said:
Do we know if there's a B-spec of the Honda PU coming as well? I don't understand how they've made such a mess of the regulations considering the amount of time Newey was working on the car...
As much as anything it was down to Newey/AM not understanding the fundamental point that Honda didn't have experienced F1 engine engineers just sitting around. What they had done in recent years was mostly out of date and engineers had moved on. Suddenly expecting Honda to come up with a competitive power unit was naïve to say the least.Apparently they hoping to have a major engine upgrade ready for Spa next month.
thegreenhell said:
Apparently the B-spec chassis is planned to be introduced in Hungary at the end of July, possibly still with the current spec Honda PU.
That'll be so Aston can pile it on Honda by going "we're still as slow as Williams and Cadillac but have one of the best chassis. Get on with it".There is surely no way this b-spec car can do what it really needs to (be about 2 seconds a lap quicker)?
Sandpit Steve said:
Not quite, Alonso was lapped for the 3rd time by the leader a couple of laps from the end, and Albon was about 30s back on the track at the end of the race. Alonso did 68 laps and Albon 69.
https://www.fia.com/system/files/decision-document...
Tragic. 2012 must seem a long time ago for Alonso, just 3 points away !https://www.fia.com/system/files/decision-document...
You show up first test with your ideas and thats the first time you see if you got it right. After that you adapt and improve your design.
Just because its Adrian Newey,it doesnt mean you got it right first time. The talent is is understanding what everyone else has done and deciding on the best way forward.
If I recall Red Bull could show up at the start of the season and be off the pace but catch up quite quickly.
The reality of the Austria race was the top 4 teams with a big gap to the rest. So thats 7 teams way off the pace.
I would think out of those 7 Aston Martin is the best resourced to bridge the gap.
As for the engine, honda were way off last time and caught up.
F1 rule changes seem like a game of cards sometimes .By chance you have the best hand when you turned them over.
Long time since anyone turned over a Brawn hand.
Just because its Adrian Newey,it doesnt mean you got it right first time. The talent is is understanding what everyone else has done and deciding on the best way forward.
If I recall Red Bull could show up at the start of the season and be off the pace but catch up quite quickly.
The reality of the Austria race was the top 4 teams with a big gap to the rest. So thats 7 teams way off the pace.
I would think out of those 7 Aston Martin is the best resourced to bridge the gap.
As for the engine, honda were way off last time and caught up.
F1 rule changes seem like a game of cards sometimes .By chance you have the best hand when you turned them over.
Long time since anyone turned over a Brawn hand.
Seems a good year for them to break the cost cap and steal a march on next year doesn't it?
In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of thebig successful teams.
In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of the
SturdyHSV said:
Seems a good year for them to break the cost cap and steal a march on next year doesn't it?
In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of thebig successful teams.
There's only so much you can attribute to "catering".In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of the
SturdyHSV said:
Seems a good year for them to break the cost cap and steal a march on next year doesn't it?
In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of thebig successful teams.
If it is deemed material then they can be excluded and they only need to be 5% over for it to become material.In reality, what could the FIA do that would actually impact them if they smashed the cost cap? They're as good as last, financial penalties are irrelevant, and even if they docked their wind tunnel time, they'll get such a large boost to the time from being 10th / 11th, they'd still be well ahead of the
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