Adrian Newey starts work at Aston Martin
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That car is definitely a step in the right direction, if they can get as much of an improvement out of the Honda PU (which was losing seconds a lap to the others at Spa) as they did the car, they'll be in the top 10 in Zandvoort which is outrageous.
could there be a light at the end of Aston's very expensive wind tunnel?
could there be a light at the end of Aston's very expensive wind tunnel?
thegreenhell said:
In the latest Motorsport podcast, Mark Hughes says the Honda PU is 90bhp down on the best, which is worth 2.5-3 seconds per lap. He thinks it will take them two or three upgrade steps to get there, but a 1s improvement from the PU upgrade next race is feasible.
That doesn't sound right to me. He must be talking tenths. Hustle_ said:
thegreenhell said:
In the latest Motorsport podcast, Mark Hughes says the Honda PU is 90bhp down on the best, which is worth 2.5-3 seconds per lap. He thinks it will take them two or three upgrade steps to get there, but a 1s improvement from the PU upgrade next race is feasible.
That doesn't sound right to me. He must be talking tenths. Assuming the deficit is on the ICE side of course. It could be part/all electrical, IE they may be having to limit the c-rate of their dodgy ES if it's still suffering from rapid degredation.
A positive start for the new motor at a filming day yesterday. Reportedly gained 30 bhp and lost the previous vibrations.
https://www.motorsport.com./f1/news/f1-aston-marti...
https://www.motorsport.com./f1/news/f1-aston-marti...
hondajack85 said:
Cant see how they cant fix this fast. They moved that mercedes engine guy back into engines and sent him to japan.
Highly complex engines. Machine learning for deployment.I think Honda will get there but I don’t think it will be quick. They have superb engineers but fabrication and testing isn’t quick.
I hope they do. Alonsos comments that it was still slow but much more drivable is a start.
vaud said:
hondajack85 said:
Cant see how they cant fix this fast. They moved that mercedes engine guy back into engines and sent him to japan.
Highly complex engines. Machine learning for deployment.I think Honda will get there but I don t think it will be quick. They have superb engineers but fabrication and testing isn t quick.
I hope they do. Alonsos comments that it was still slow but much more drivable is a start.
They just need Fred to move on, that's when they'll fix it - he's not supposed to have a competitive car.
thegreenhell said:
In the latest Motorsport podcast, Mark Hughes says the Honda PU is 90bhp down on the best, which is worth 2.5-3 seconds per lap. He thinks it will take them two or three upgrade steps to get there, but a 1s improvement from the PU upgrade next race is feasible.
I love when "experts "say things like seconds a lap without saying on what track. 1 second makes a big differance on a 2 min lap, less so on a 1 min lap
richhead said:
thegreenhell said:
In the latest Motorsport podcast, Mark Hughes says the Honda PU is 90bhp down on the best, which is worth 2.5-3 seconds per lap. He thinks it will take them two or three upgrade steps to get there, but a 1s improvement from the PU upgrade next race is feasible.
I love when "experts "say things like seconds a lap without saying on what track. 1 second makes a big differance on a 2 min lap, less so on a 1 min lap
hondajack85 said:
Cant see how they cant fix this fast. They moved that mercedes engine guy back into engines and sent him to japan.
Andy Cowell should have been given a Japanese translator, an AAA pass to the Honda factory, and a house next door to it, the day after he was hired! The constant messing around with the senior management roles has been a feature of Stroll s running the team. They presumably spent a lot of money hiring the world s best hybrid engine guy, it should have made sense for him to spend at least half his time embedded with the engine supplier, even if it takes 15 hours on a plane to get there!
They’ve lost so much time messing around, this whole year is effectively a writeoff.
TheDeuce said:
richhead said:
thegreenhell said:
In the latest Motorsport podcast, Mark Hughes says the Honda PU is 90bhp down on the best, which is worth 2.5-3 seconds per lap. He thinks it will take them two or three upgrade steps to get there, but a 1s improvement from the PU upgrade next race is feasible.
I love when "experts "say things like seconds a lap without saying on what track. 1 second makes a big differance on a 2 min lap, less so on a 1 min lap
vaud said:
Highly complex engines. Machine learning for deployment.
I think Honda will get there but I don t think it will be quick. They have superb engineers but fabrication and testing isn t quick.
I hope they do. Alonsos comments that it was still slow but much more drivable is a start.
Manufacturing prototyping is super fast these days with modern tools, they will have bench single pot engines running constantly to prove out the combustion design, then once happy will rapid cast/machine the full engine with the new design. Mechanical stress of reciprocating components is less of a challenge than the 20K rpm NA engines. You'd add a bit more weight than you think is required to get the thing out in the field with the new design, then pair it back for next years spec after long load testing.I think Honda will get there but I don t think it will be quick. They have superb engineers but fabrication and testing isn t quick.
I hope they do. Alonsos comments that it was still slow but much more drivable is a start.
I can't see a 500BHP ICE unit being 90BHP down, that would be a proper cockup.
For some reason all ingredients in the pot at the same time. Factory,newey,honda. No way thats not a disaster to start with,but long term it
places they on equal footing to the big 4.
Previously they were minnows with the odd result to flatter them, all that punching below the belt stuff lol.
places they on equal footing to the big 4.
Previously they were minnows with the odd result to flatter them, all that punching below the belt stuff lol.
732NM said:
Manufacturing prototyping is super fast these days with modern tools, they will have bench single pot engines running constantly to prove out the combustion design, then once happy will rapid cast/machine the full engine with the new design. Mechanical stress of reciprocating components is less of a challenge than the 20K rpm NA engines. You'd add a bit more weight than you think is required to get the thing out in the field with the new design, then pair it back for next years spec after long load testing.
I can't see a 500BHP ICE unit being 90BHP down, that would be a proper cockup.
Could you help me understand how quick “super fast” is in this context?I can't see a 500BHP ICE unit being 90BHP down, that would be a proper cockup.
vaud said:
Could you help me understand how quick super fast is in this context?
Days... As fast as they can design a mould for a block they can 3D print that mould and cast the alloy. They can directly 3D print other major components such as pistons and also the conrods via subtractive CNC. All in house, as fast as it takes the machines to complete the job.I bet they can have a one cylinder unit on the testbed within a week of deciding what it is they want to trial.
This stuff used to take many weeks if not months as each mould required a mixture of hand and CNC fabrication before they could cast anything. These days, once they have the CAD model they can pass it to the workshop and the parts start appearing without delay or relying on third parties for fabrication.
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