The F1 new rule changes Poll

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

732NM said:

TheDeuce said:

So the new plan is to increase IC power and decrease electrical dependency by around 50kw (70bhp)


But it's just an idea they're mooting, no explanation as to how the teams are expected to increase IC power or package the extra fuel required.


This is going to be messy as these cars are not designed to have the headroom for such changes, especially not at short notice.

They build new tubs every year, more fuel capacity is not a problem.
Engine redesign for more power is easy in that timescale. Honda will likely build a totally new PU anyway.

Edited by 732NM on Saturday 9th May 15:37

As I understand it for several teams, this way to be a carry over year for the tub, and with some expectation that the PU specs would be fixed - which they supposedly were... although I doubt anyone really thought there wouldn't be a revision there.

It's messy because they're now changing things on the fly and may continue to do so. Nobody really knows where they stand in the midst of this experiment.

They are now saying they're prepared to shorten races next year to accommodate a higher fuel flow rate without having to build new tubs with larger fuel tanks.

Meanwhile, Max has openly said that he will not remain in F1 next year if they don't force these changes through.

[SpudLink]

thegreenhell said:

They are now saying they're prepared to shorten races next year to accommodate a higher fuel flow rate without having to build new tubs with larger fuel tanks.

Why not leave the race length as it is, increase the fuel flow rate, and force the drivers to manage the fuel loads over the course of a race?
We would still get flat out qualifying laps. When fighting during the race it’s up to the driver when to push and when to conserve fuel.

[hondajack85]

SpudLink said:

thegreenhell said:

They are now saying they're prepared to shorten races next year to accommodate a higher fuel flow rate without having to build new tubs with larger fuel tanks.

Why not leave the race length as it is, increase the fuel flow rate, and force the drivers to manage the fuel loads over the course of a race?
We would still get flat out qualifying laps. When fighting during the race it s up to the driver when to push and when to conserve fuel.

This shrinking a chocolate bar for same money approach will only be acceptable if every weekend has a sprint race.

[Big Nanas]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here's the FIA agreed PU changes for the next two years:

[TheDeuce]

Big Nanas said:

Wasn't sure where to put this, but here's the FIA agreed PU changes for the next two years:

I calculated it best I could, I think 70/30 split is optimum with current technology.

On a positive note, getting to 60/40 will make a significant difference at most circuits.

[Big Nanas]

I forgot to add - for 2027 only, some of the races will be reduced in length by a few laps. This is because the teams won't be re-designing their chassis to accommodate a larger fuel tank - due to the higher fuel flow limit.

[TheDeuce]

Big Nanas said:

I forgot to add - for 2027 only, some of the races will be reduced in length by a few laps. This is because the teams won't be re-designing their chassis to accommodate a larger fuel tank - due to the higher fuel flow limit.

I bet they'll be quite keen to keep discussion away from that bit. It's obviously not great that they over electrified the cars, had to then back off electrification because of all the clipping... Then decide to make some GP's shorter to suit the subsequent limited ICE ability (range) of the cars.

They're very lucky there's an interesting dynamic at Merc this year and a resurgent RBR. Because on merit, this seasons specs are a disaster!

[marine boy]

Voted with my feet yesterday

After nearly 25yrs or 464x races of working in F1 I told my team I'll be retiring from F1 this year

Not just the PU but F1 in general has become too complicated

Just not fun anymore, time to jump out of the frying pan, douse myself with petrol and jump into other top level motorsport category fires

[TheDeuce]

marine boy said:

Voted with my feet yesterday

After nearly 25yrs or 464x races of working in F1 I told my team I'll be retiring from F1 this year

Not just the PU but F1 in general has become too complicated

Just not fun anymore, time to jump out of the frying pan, douse myself with petrol and jump into other top level motorsport category fires

You'll have an easier life not having to design and consider everything else around an ES that's being asked to do heavy lifting that current battery technology can't really accommodate.

I'm a massive EV fan in the real world but anything other than token electrification in F1 is nonsense right now, and pushing it so far as they have corrupts everything else. It's even corrupted the rules and regs of the sport, which is why they're getting rewritten week by week.

I expect your experience with F1 electrification will serve you well in other series where it's relevant but not constrictive.

Best of luck!!