The F1 new rule changes Poll
Poll: The F1 new rule changes Poll
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I was tracking live timing data when LH & CLC were racing - it was exciting. But when CLC passed and stretched the gap to over 1 second, I switched off, did some gardening instead. I was muttering to myself that 26 was going to be another 25, LH was passed it, he should retire, blah blah.
I switched back to see the final laps, only to find that Lewis was, in fact, 3.7 seconds ahead. How was that possible, I asked? The new regs. It suits the never-say-never type of drivers, Sainz as well. So I'm onboard - count me in.
I switched back to see the final laps, only to find that Lewis was, in fact, 3.7 seconds ahead. How was that possible, I asked? The new regs. It suits the never-say-never type of drivers, Sainz as well. So I'm onboard - count me in.
maz8062 said:
I was tracking live timing data when LH & CLC were racing - it was exciting. But when CLC passed and stretched the gap to over 1 second, I switched off, did some gardening instead. I was muttering to myself that 26 was going to be another 25, LH was passed it, he should retire, blah blah.
I switched back to see the final laps, only to find that Lewis was, in fact, 3.7 seconds ahead. How was that possible, I asked? The new regs. It suits the never-say-never type of drivers, Sainz as well. So I'm onboard - count me in.
Gardening at 7.30am on a Sunday morning. I switched back to see the final laps, only to find that Lewis was, in fact, 3.7 seconds ahead. How was that possible, I asked? The new regs. It suits the never-say-never type of drivers, Sainz as well. So I'm onboard - count me in.
Good grief glad I don't have neighbors.Edited by bigmowley on Monday 16th March 21:05
I'm on the fence because it's too early to call, but optimistic. Pleased that cars aren't affected too much by dirty air and that there's actual overtaking - or erm, cars do at least pass each other, but at the moment it all feels a bit 'facsimile'. Very interested to see how this develops.
TheDeuce said:
kambites said:
Hustle_ said:
I am not entirely happy...
Is anyone ever entirely happy with any era of F1? 
& Merc, with that level of dominance aren't likely to replace their drivers anytime soon either ...especially with Kimi now stepping up too
A combination of rules that baked fundimental flaws into cars and engines for whole seasons and the failure of Ross Brawns harebrained 'ground effect fixes everything' scheme made large parts of the previous regs unbelievably tedious, the lack of overtaking in previous seasons has been quickly forgotten by many.
It's a breath of fresh air, i don't need prefect to enjoy better.
It's a breath of fresh air, i don't need prefect to enjoy better.
I tickle those boxes 
The main issue is the cars running out of boost half way down the straight and losing over 40kph before the braking point - overall it appears the chassis changes are a decent solution which are achieving the goal of making the cars a bit more skittish so they can maintain close proximity to each other when racing.
If the power unit was more organic ie producing the majority of its energy from the ICE and not giving the drivers the ability to periodically have twice as much power as the car in front it would be much better. The “super clipping” is just not F1 at all and will be nothing short of embarrassing at places like Monza or Las Vegas.
If the power unit was more organic ie producing the majority of its energy from the ICE and not giving the drivers the ability to periodically have twice as much power as the car in front it would be much better. The “super clipping” is just not F1 at all and will be nothing short of embarrassing at places like Monza or Las Vegas.
On the fence at the moment,
like a few have mentioned great to see the racing and overtakes but the management and deployment of the battery side I'm wary
As the start of a new season with new regulations there will always be 1 or 2 teams that do well from the get go this time it is Mercedes with Ferrari and possibly mclaren close by, just how long till we get a closer field
the thing im wary about is the battery management, storage and deployment. There will always be an optimum place at each circuit to harvest and use the extra power, which ever team get the management correct for the circuit will be best off. Merc have the power management correct so far.
it is making the battles interesting so that the overtaken car can fight back with some extra power, im not just talking about the front runners it is giving some good racing in the midfield also
its a shame for Aston at the minute but hope they get a development and join the midfield at least, Cadillac i was expecting to be near the back for there first season and hopefully some experience can help them in the next few seasons
like a few have mentioned great to see the racing and overtakes but the management and deployment of the battery side I'm wary
As the start of a new season with new regulations there will always be 1 or 2 teams that do well from the get go this time it is Mercedes with Ferrari and possibly mclaren close by, just how long till we get a closer field
the thing im wary about is the battery management, storage and deployment. There will always be an optimum place at each circuit to harvest and use the extra power, which ever team get the management correct for the circuit will be best off. Merc have the power management correct so far.
it is making the battles interesting so that the overtaken car can fight back with some extra power, im not just talking about the front runners it is giving some good racing in the midfield also
its a shame for Aston at the minute but hope they get a development and join the midfield at least, Cadillac i was expecting to be near the back for there first season and hopefully some experience can help them in the next few seasons
On the fence.
They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
I’d still rather have screaming V10s though!
They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
I’d still rather have screaming V10s though!
Sandpit Steve said:
On the fence.
They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
Unfortunately it is more of a challenge than that. They can't boost engine power without highly likely needing to change the chassis. The engines have been designed around an energy flow limit, that in turn is going to limit the total energy required, which will in turn limit the space required in the chassis to house it. No team is going to allow more space than they need.They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
Megaflow said:
Sandpit Steve said:
On the fence.
They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
Unfortunately it is more of a challenge than that. They can't boost engine power without highly likely needing to change the chassis. The engines have been designed around an energy flow limit, that in turn is going to limit the total energy required, which will in turn limit the space required in the chassis to house it. No team is going to allow more space than they need.They re moving in the right direction with the smaller cars, and the races have been fun to watch, but they ve messed up with the electrification and deployment rules, especially in qualifying.
Not sure there s much they can do about it this year except reducing the electrical power limit, which will slow the cars down considerably. Hopefully battery density improves and they can add capacity without adding weight. Not sure they can up the engine boost limit without affecting reliability.
The photos of the Cadillac that lost its engine cover show just how tight the packaging is on these cars. As one commenter on the China race thread observed, you wouldn’t want to do a change of plugs against the clock!
Not even bothering with the race threads so far this season (bar the opening post for time referencing), so much negativity.
So far watched all races with company and we are loving it!
Qually was always my preferred event of the weekend-man and machine in absolute harmony. I'm now realising I loved qually so much because the races were generally quite boring. Race day was dominated by stratergy, now there's so much action the director doesn't know what to show. I liked the strategic masterclasses but for every Mercedes Barcelona Max v's Lewis humdinger there was probably a dozen DRS train bore-fests.
I strongly suspect that as the teams glean more and more data and learn about what they can and can't do it could well end up being a precession but if the clipping genuinely does mean slower corner speeds so cars can actually follow each other-long may it last!
So far watched all races with company and we are loving it!
Qually was always my preferred event of the weekend-man and machine in absolute harmony. I'm now realising I loved qually so much because the races were generally quite boring. Race day was dominated by stratergy, now there's so much action the director doesn't know what to show. I liked the strategic masterclasses but for every Mercedes Barcelona Max v's Lewis humdinger there was probably a dozen DRS train bore-fests.
I strongly suspect that as the teams glean more and more data and learn about what they can and can't do it could well end up being a precession but if the clipping genuinely does mean slower corner speeds so cars can actually follow each other-long may it last!
On the fence, but leaning towards being happy.
Whilst we have a very small sample size to review (just 2 race weeks), it does look like the cars are able to follow each other better than the last few rule sets. Between team mates and closely matched cars we are getting close racing, with pass and re-pass until finally one gets the upper hand. It bodes well for future racing when the performance of the cars closes up.
The cars look so much better on screen - much more compact and nimble compared to the big old busses of the last rules.
It looks like the drivers are really having to drive this current generation of cars, particularly when to stomp on the loud pedal coming out of a corner. There are gains to be had from getting it right, and big losses from overcooking it. That might settle down as the drivers get more used to these cars, but for now I'm enjoying being able to see the challenges of them adjusting to more power and less grip on corner exit.
It's not perfect, and the "balls to the wall" qualifying laps - particularly from the onboard - have definitely suffered. I don't feel that the power unit regs are quite where they need to be yet, and don't see a quick or simple solution to that. If they were able to rebalance things so that the cars remained so damn accelerative, but without the need to clip at the end of straights, or not push the chassis limit in fast corners, without adding any extra weight or bulk to the cars, then I would be broadly happy. But I can't see that happening any time soon.
Overall, I don't see it as anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers said it would be. And with some changes to the PUs I could see this as being one of the best sets of regs I have watched in F1 (only since 1990 - I'm afraid I don't have the length of tenure than some of you do!). Obviously the visceral noise of the pre-hybrids has gone, but if they manage to find a decent fix to the PU then that would be the only area that these cars fall down on.
Whilst we have a very small sample size to review (just 2 race weeks), it does look like the cars are able to follow each other better than the last few rule sets. Between team mates and closely matched cars we are getting close racing, with pass and re-pass until finally one gets the upper hand. It bodes well for future racing when the performance of the cars closes up.
The cars look so much better on screen - much more compact and nimble compared to the big old busses of the last rules.
It looks like the drivers are really having to drive this current generation of cars, particularly when to stomp on the loud pedal coming out of a corner. There are gains to be had from getting it right, and big losses from overcooking it. That might settle down as the drivers get more used to these cars, but for now I'm enjoying being able to see the challenges of them adjusting to more power and less grip on corner exit.
It's not perfect, and the "balls to the wall" qualifying laps - particularly from the onboard - have definitely suffered. I don't feel that the power unit regs are quite where they need to be yet, and don't see a quick or simple solution to that. If they were able to rebalance things so that the cars remained so damn accelerative, but without the need to clip at the end of straights, or not push the chassis limit in fast corners, without adding any extra weight or bulk to the cars, then I would be broadly happy. But I can't see that happening any time soon.
Overall, I don't see it as anywhere near as bad as the doom-mongers said it would be. And with some changes to the PUs I could see this as being one of the best sets of regs I have watched in F1 (only since 1990 - I'm afraid I don't have the length of tenure than some of you do!). Obviously the visceral noise of the pre-hybrids has gone, but if they manage to find a decent fix to the PU then that would be the only area that these cars fall down on.
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