Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

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Gary C

12,313 posts

178 months

Saturday 10th April 2021
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
What more could Schumacher do? He came back from his broken leg and destroyed everyone in qualifying and then followed a 1-2 for Ferrari in the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Schumacher got pole in the final race 1.5 seconds faster than Irvine who started 5th. I am sure if there was any way of Schumacher helping Irvine anymore he would have but alas Irvine just wasn't good enough in that final race weekend.
Thats the point though, did Schumacher do everything he could ?, did enough to secure WCC but not quite enough to give Irvine the WDC. Given Schumacher's ego, being at the centre of the Ferrari revival then having Irvine win their first WDC in 20 years might have been too bitter a pill to swallow.

C350Akra

11,553 posts

279 months

Saturday 10th April 2021
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Why don't you start a thread about Schumacher rather than post that link on the thread about Hamilton?

Hazmat1

233 posts

97 months

Saturday 10th April 2021
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Didnt Ferrari manage to bungle Irvine's pit stop at a critical part of the season, seemed frightfully convenient to ensure there were no awkward explanations as to why MS wasn’t their first champion of that era

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Saturday 10th April 2021
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Hazmat1 said:
Didnt Ferrari manage to bungle Irvine's pit stop at a critical part of the season, seemed frightfully convenient to ensure there were no awkward explanations as to why MS wasn’t their first champion of that era
Yes, just like Mercedes bungled Russell's pit stop in Sakir in order to placate Hamilton, or how they bungled Hamilton's pit stop in Hockenhiem for........ some reason.

But actually, in that 1999 European GP at the Nurgurgring, McLaren also screwed Hakinnen's race, inexplicably leaving him out on the wrong tyres, lapping something like 7 seconds slower than the leaders before deciding to cut their losses.

In the final stages of the race, when Irvine and Hakinnen suddenly realised they could get some points, it was Hakinnen who was able to show his class by catching and passing Irvine and then pulling away to score 2 crucial championship points while Irvine trailed home with nothing.

C350Akra

11,553 posts

279 months

Sunday 11th April 2021
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Yes, just like Mercedes bungled Russell's pit stop in Sakir in order to placate Hamilton
You really are anti-Hamilton aren't you? Hamilton was not in Sakir, nor in contact with the team that weekend. How could it possibly have been to placate him? Bottas? Just maybe, but not likely.

HighwayStar

4,215 posts

143 months

Sunday 11th April 2021
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C350Akra said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Yes, just like Mercedes bungled Russell's pit stop in Sakir in order to placate Hamilton
You really are anti-Hamilton aren't you? Hamilton was not in Sakir, nor in contact with the team that weekend. How could it possibly have been to placate him? Bottas? Just maybe, but not likely.
On top of which people come out with the team bungles pit stop to hobble their own team meaning what... Toto puts out the order to destroy their own drivers race. The whole team, pit stop guys, garage mechanic, everyone goes along with it. Not a word of the subterfuge gets out. Ridiculous rolleyes

Gad-Westy

14,520 posts

212 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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HighwayStar said:
C350Akra said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Yes, just like Mercedes bungled Russell's pit stop in Sakir in order to placate Hamilton
You really are anti-Hamilton aren't you? Hamilton was not in Sakir, nor in contact with the team that weekend. How could it possibly have been to placate him? Bottas? Just maybe, but not likely.
On top of which people come out with the team bungles pit stop to hobble their own team meaning what... Toto puts out the order to destroy their own drivers race. The whole team, pit stop guys, garage mechanic, everyone goes along with it. Not a word of the subterfuge gets out. Ridiculous rolleyes
I think Mr Thyroid was being sarcastic.

Gary C

12,313 posts

178 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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C350Akra said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Yes, just like Mercedes bungled Russell's pit stop in Sakir in order to placate Hamilton
You really are anti-Hamilton aren't you? Hamilton was not in Sakir, nor in contact with the team that weekend. How could it possibly have been to placate him? Bottas? Just maybe, but not likely.
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.

sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3


M5-911

1,348 posts

44 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.




mat205125

17,790 posts

212 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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M5-911 said:
Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Think that was Barichello;-)

nickfrog

20,871 posts

216 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps
You do that every time. You introduce facts against Sparta's prejudice. That's really not fair.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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mat205125 said:
M5-911 said:
Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Think that was Barichello;-)
I dint think Michael was the most successful driver in history.

M5-911

1,348 posts

44 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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nickfrog said:
You do that every time. You introduce facts against Sparta's prejudice. That's really not fair.
Yes, i am sorry. I will not do it again. I like Sparta, he is entertaining and play a good game without being rude. He likes Mikka I believe which I do so I enjoy his banter. I know deep down he has a huge respect for Hamilton but like me with Alonso, I can't stand the diva that he is but will always respect the tremendous driver that he was (annoys me that he is still on the start line these days... Lol)

sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Yeah, but then Irvine wasn't driving a "work of art"

George Russell's words, not mine hehe

Muzzer79

9,805 posts

186 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Yeah, but then Irvine wasn't driving a "work of art"

George Russell's words, not mine hehe
No, he was driving a Ferrari that challenged for the title 3 years running.

2 of Eddie’s wins were also gifted to him by team mates pulling over for him.

George was hardly going to call it a bucket of bolts was he...... rolleyes

HighwayStar

4,215 posts

143 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Yeah, but then Irvine wasn't driving a "work of art"

George Russell's words, not mine hehe
Sparta twists and turns like a twisty turny thing biggrin

vdn

8,905 posts

202 months

Monday 12th April 2021
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HighwayStar said:
sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Yeah, but then Irvine wasn't driving a "work of art"

George Russell's words, not mine hehe
Sparta twists and turns like a twisty turny thing biggrin
Said it before, I'll say it again... he's a thick as two short ones. He comes up with stuff that is literally the opposite of what is true. hehe

sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Tuesday 13th April 2021
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Muzzer79 said:
sparta6 said:
M5-911 said:
sparta6 said:
vdn said:
Irvine was a proper number 2 driver.
By comparison, Bottas is a proper Number 3
Yes sure,

Eddie Ervine, 9 years in F1:

4 wins
0 pole
26 podiums
1 fastest lap

Valterri Bottas, 7 years in F1:

9 wins
16 poles
57 podiums
16 fastest laps

Bottas has accomplished most of his trophy cabinet against the most successful driver in F1 history.
Yeah, but then Irvine wasn't driving a "work of art"

George Russell's words, not mine hehe
No, he was driving a Ferrari that challenged for the title 3 years running.

rolleyes
There's quite a gap between a "contender" and "a work of art".

I don't recall Irvine or Schumacher referrring to that Ferrari as "a work of art" hehe




sparta6

3,689 posts

99 months

Tuesday 13th April 2021
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vdn said:
Said it before, I'll say it again... he's a thick as two short ones. He comes up with stuff that is literally the opposite of what is true. hehe
vdn also claims that all fashion models are thick.

It must therefore be true hehe