Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

[C350Akra]

sparta6 said:

There's quite a gap between a "contender" and "a work of art".

What else would you expect a contender for the seat to say?

Get real!

[Muzzer79]

sparta6 said:

There's quite a gap between a "contender" and "a work of art".

I don't recall Irvine or Schumacher referrring to that Ferrari as "a work of art"

I'm surprised (or not, actually.....) that you're putting so much stock into one quote.

Back in 2014/2015, Ron Dennis (who knows a thing or too about F1) described the Honda Hybrid power unit as "a jewel"

On the launch of the 1995 McLaren, Nigel Mansell said he hoped the car "went as good as it looked"

Newsflash - people in F1 say the right things at the right time.

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

But then, you know that already

[sparta6]

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

[HighwayStar]

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

What would Max about his RedBull?

[M5-911]

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

I think that Redbull and Ferrari must be the only 2 teams in the last 20years who have design their cars towards one driver (mclaren tried when Button joined them but failed and had to reverse) I feel sorry for Perez, that car might be super fast but entirely built around Verstapen driving style.

[vdn]

Yes Max is Red Bull's sole focus. He has a whole team behind him... something DR and Gasly have openly suggested / hinted at.

Ferrari was Michael's team. Having nobodies as teammates and one way data shares on top of that, made that clear! A true sportsman he was not.

Not in the same league as Hamilton or Alonso on that front alone. Shame as he was obviously a supreme talent.

[sparta6]

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

What would Max about his RedBull?

"It was a bit unpredictable, a bit unreliable and needed more power"

"But it's better this year"

[sparta6]

M5-911 said:

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

I think that Redbull and Ferrari must be the only 2 teams in the last 20years who have design their cars towards one driver (mclaren tried when Button joined them but failed and had to reverse) I feel sorry for Perez, that car might be super fast but entirely built around Verstapen driving style.

Tends to be par for the course when you have a dominant driver. Lauda also told his engineers what to do.

[Hungrymc]

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

What would Max about his RedBull?

I think a better question would be - what would George say about the RedBull ? Particularly if he thought he had a sniff of getting a drive.

[Hungrymc]

sparta6 said:

M5-911 said:

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

I think that Redbull and Ferrari must be the only 2 teams in the last 20years who have design their cars towards one driver (mclaren tried when Button joined them but failed and had to reverse) I feel sorry for Perez, that car might be super fast but entirely built around Verstapen driving style.

Tends to be par for the course when you have a dominant driver. Lauda also told his engineers what to do.

You’d expect drivers to have a decreasing influence over car development as confidence in the engineering / calculations has grown over the years. Fair few stories about drivers and riders being given what the engineers know to be fastest, even if the rider / driver can’t access it. Maybe that’s a big factor in today’s drivers, being able to exploit what the engineers have done as opposed to getting what they want ?

[sparta6]

Hungrymc said:

sparta6 said:

M5-911 said:

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

I think that Redbull and Ferrari must be the only 2 teams in the last 20years who have design their cars towards one driver (mclaren tried when Button joined them but failed and had to reverse) I feel sorry for Perez, that car might be super fast but entirely built around Verstapen driving style.

Tends to be par for the course when you have a dominant driver. Lauda also told his engineers what to do.

You’d expect drivers to have a decreasing influence over car development as confidence in the engineering / calculations has grown over the years. Fair few stories about drivers and riders being given what the engineers know to be fastest, even if the rider / driver can’t access it. Maybe that’s a big factor in today’s drivers, being able to exploit what the engineers have done as opposed to getting what they want ?

I tend to agree that driver influence on set-up and development has been reduced over recent years. What a particular driving style wants or needs.

But when it comes to driving it should be solely down to the driver. Engineers telling drivers how to drive is quite ridiculous.
Good drivers know how to improvise.

[Muzzer79]

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

Whilst George wasn't lying, this is F1 - they're all works of art, especially when you come from a back-of-the-grid Williams.

Try asking Gasly if he thought his Red Bull was "a work of art"

Again, what’s the relevance?

The Mercedes is a good car. It won races. Of course George was going to say it was good.

But it’s not some jet-powered deity compared to other cars in history. The 2002 Ferrari, for example, won every race apart from two - far more dominant.
I guess the only reason it’s not as revered is that Schumacher must have had a more sleepy team-mate

[nickfrog]

sparta6 said:

Good drivers know how to improvise.

I agree that this has been one of Hamilton's strengths.

[Mr_Thyroid]

M5-911 said:

I think that Redbull and Ferrari must be the only 2 teams in the last 20years who have design their cars towards one driver (mclaren tried when Button joined them but failed and had to reverse) I feel sorry for Perez, that car might be super fast but entirely built around Verstapen driving style.

Jolyon Palmer thinks this is nonsense. Someone made this point during practice on the radio last race and Jolyon gave it pretty short shrift. His point was that a well balanced car is always going to be faster than a pointy or a pushy one. OK, some drivers prefer, or can deal with, a car that tends towards understeer or oversteer, but give them a balanced one and they'll be happy and confident pushing it to the limit.

[Fundoreen]

There will aways be someone thats best at compensating for a cars flaws. But does this make them the best driver?
I think this was most obvious with bikes in motogp and 500s before.
Some sideways auzzie or yank gets all the praise as they work with the aussie or yank engineers getting it just about manageable for themselves. And keep it to themselves.
Both nations are nowhere in world championship racing now the bikes are easier to setup and engineers seem not to all be named chuck or buzz lol.
Everything has a limit so if its easier to reach it more people will be racing closer.
Just my 2 bobs worth.

[sparta6]

Muzzer79 said:

The Mercedes is a good car. It won races. Of course George was going to say it was good.

"Good car"

Now try playing it down

[glazbagun]

George has been driving a Williams at the back of the grid finishing last or second last for two years. A Renualt would feel like a masterpiece by comparison.

[vdn]

sparta6 said:

Muzzer79 said:

The Mercedes is a good car. It won races. Of course George was going to say it was good.

"Good car"

Now try playing it down

Indeed! The best car and, Hamilton: the best driver!

Although we've had a year where the Fezza was in the running, when they cheated (as is common practice over at that camp) and they couldn't get close. To the point it was stated that Ferrari would have won with Lewis in the cockpit.

Shame as they've been shi t every other chance they've had.

And Vettel is showing no signs of improving outside of the red bubble. Buuuuuut, it has only been one race for the racing green AM.

[sparta6]

glazbagun said:

George has been driving a Williams at the back of the grid finishing last or second last for two years. A Renualt would feel like a masterpiece by comparison.

In that case Alonso is now driving a masterpiece, and will win the WDC

[vdn]

sparta6 said:

glazbagun said:

George has been driving a Williams at the back of the grid finishing last or second last for two years. A Renualt would feel like a masterpiece by comparison.

In that case Alonso is now driving a masterpiece, and will win the WDC

No chance. Alonso is done and dusted: he'll never drive a true masterpiece again. Hamilton on the other hand