Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?
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zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
Max is in his 6th yearWhilst Hamilton had one title by the same marker and only marginally lost another, he did have the advantage of starting with a title-challenging car.
I would say it took until the Mercedes years for Hamilton to fully mature as a driver.
Max is now the same age as when Hamilton started so he has plenty of time and development to come.
If Hamilton gets number 8, I’m not sure anyone will ever get there. At least in my lifetime.
His last 7 have been so utterly dominant I just can’t see it. Max I don’t think will do it with Red Bull. Unless they get another insane run like they did with Seb.
It’s just such a huge mountain to overcome. 8 championships didn’t even seem possible after Schumacher.
His last 7 have been so utterly dominant I just can’t see it. Max I don’t think will do it with Red Bull. Unless they get another insane run like they did with Seb.
It’s just such a huge mountain to overcome. 8 championships didn’t even seem possible after Schumacher.
zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
tough one but I think that even if Verstapen doesn't match Hamilton trough his career he will still be remembered as a great driver. I beleive he can achieve 3 or 4 titles. He kind of remind me Senna with his flamboyant driving style. fast, great to watch but prone to make mistake and outsmarted by clever drivers (like Prost). Despite Senna being Hamilton's hero, Hamilton has completely surpassed his master by miles. he doesn't make the mistakes Senna was making, he is better and a cleaner racer. he has lost that edge from his early years to become a calculated winning machine.
One thing that Verstapen will not have to deal with is fighting with multiple world champions in the same team which I reckon that will make his life a lot easier than what Hamilton had to deal with. I remember Button mentioning that during their years at McLaren together, one of them could have win the championship if they didn't use to take so much point out of each others during the seasons.
As long as Max stay at RedBull, he will never have proper team mates.
zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this, he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
He will need to mature, I agree. But I think he is on his way to more head and less heart.It's difficult to say if he will be able to match Hamilton or not as he hasn't had a championship winning car yet. But perhaps he has now.
nickfrog said:
zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this, he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
He will need to mature, I agree. But I think he is on his way to more head and less heart.It's difficult to say if he will be able to match Hamilton or not as he hasn't had a championship winning car yet. But perhaps he has now.
I think that the first race alone has shown that Max isn't quite there yet handing the place back to Hamilton at that point was a silly move in hindsight. It's not the mark of a genius driver... nevertheless he is an amazing talent and if the level of dominance is high enough he will take the title this year and maybe many more.
Stan the Bat said:
nickfrog said:
zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this, he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
He will need to mature, I agree. But I think he is on his way to more head and less heart.It's difficult to say if he will be able to match Hamilton or not as he hasn't had a championship winning car yet. But perhaps he has now.
vdn said:
I think that the first race alone has shown that Max isn't quite there yet handing the place back to Hamilton at that point was a silly move in hindsight. It's not the mark of a genius driver... nevertheless he is an amazing talent and if the level of dominance is high enough he will take the title this year and maybe many more.
There was a hint of Schumacher-esq-ness when MV asked about letting Hamilton back through just before the DRS zone.But Ginger Spice said NO.
Max going soft already
Muzzer79 said:
zsdom said:
Max isnt good enough to match Hamilton, he doesnt posess the mental capacity & foresight to do so, Bahrain showed this he’s been in F1 since 2015, if he hasnt got it by now he never will.
Max is in his 6th yearWhilst Hamilton had one title by the same marker and only marginally lost another, he did have the advantage of starting with a title-challenging car.
I would say it took until the Mercedes years for Hamilton to fully mature as a driver.
Max is now the same age as when Hamilton started so he has plenty of time and development to come.
Hamilton moved to Mercedes at the perfect time and they have been basically unassailable ever since (some people ascribe to the belief that Ferrari and now RB had/have faster cars, because it imbues Hamilton's victories with more dramatic credibility, but I don't believe it myself. Mercedes have always seemed to be surehanded in their overall superiority).
I can see regulations being changed more frequently or dramatically to prevent another almost decade long dominance by one team, and given how big a part of the equation the cars are - that would be what I would imagine would stymie any hope Verstappen (or anyone) would have of matching or beating Hamilton's records.
Durzel said:
i think it would be more accurate to ask whether or not there will be another confluence of regulations and technical exploitation of them to allow RB or whatever team Max drives for at the time to be able to get more WDC than Hamilton.
Hamilton moved to Mercedes at the perfect time and they have been basically unassailable ever since (some people ascribe to the belief that Ferrari and now RB had/have faster cars, because it imbues Hamilton's victories with more dramatic credibility, but I don't believe it myself. Mercedes have always seemed to be surehanded in their overall superiority).
I can see regulations being changed more frequently or dramatically to prevent another almost decade long dominance by one team, and given how big a part of the equation the cars are - that would be what I would imagine would stymie any hope Verstappen (or anyone) would have of matching or beating Hamilton's records.
Ferrari head honcho said they'd had one year that with Hamilton driving, they'd have won, so you're assertions go against what most of the paddock and some other key figures / Ferrari have said themselves. Make of that what you will.Hamilton moved to Mercedes at the perfect time and they have been basically unassailable ever since (some people ascribe to the belief that Ferrari and now RB had/have faster cars, because it imbues Hamilton's victories with more dramatic credibility, but I don't believe it myself. Mercedes have always seemed to be surehanded in their overall superiority).
I can see regulations being changed more frequently or dramatically to prevent another almost decade long dominance by one team, and given how big a part of the equation the cars are - that would be what I would imagine would stymie any hope Verstappen (or anyone) would have of matching or beating Hamilton's records.
As for this year, the Red Bull is looking the better car. Simple as that. Whether it'll stay that way remains to be seen of course and there will be tracks that that might not be the case.
sparta6 said:
Was considerably tighter with Rosberg and Button.
It was, although he was plainly overall a lot better than both of those two, and he has improved significantly since losing in 2016, taking him to a higher level still. If Hamilton had been racing the sort of number 2 drivers that Schumacher had as teammates, they would have taken far fewer points off of each other and Lewis would now likely have 10 titles.
nickfrog said:
M5-911 said:
nickfrog said:
vdn said:
As for this year, the Red Bull is looking the better car. Simple as that.
I would have agreed with you up to a few hours ago. 
It was great to see Lewis smiling yesterday. Yes it was his just his 99th pole, but that meant absolutely nothing compared to bettering the RBs on a day when the team clearly thought they were well short of of their pace.
I hope that Valteri’s P8 is not a true reflection of where the car really is.
Lewis is not a man looking to retire at the end of this season. He just loves racing too much.
I hope that Valteri’s P8 is not a true reflection of where the car really is.
Lewis is not a man looking to retire at the end of this season. He just loves racing too much.
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