Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?

[AJS-]

hotmelt said:

To be frank after the golden generation of Senna, Prost, Mansell.., just two superstars emerged-Schumacher and lately Hamilton.

What about Hakkinen?
Alonso is on for a triple title today if he gets it right.
Hamilton came in with a bang, no doubt. I think he's got immense talent, but at the moment I see him more as a Mansell than a Senna - he's fast and aggressive but lacks consistency and is hard on cars.

Only time will tell if he's an all time great, whatever it means.

[Dakkon]

mattikake said:

Since when could poxy MotoGP bike riders ever be relevant to the total superiority of F1?

Sorry to piss on your piss on the OP.

Edited by mattikake on Saturday 13th November 23:21

Idiot

[dr00py]

Taz46 said:

Any one else agree with me that Lewis has the ability to be regarded as the greatest of all time? ... most talented driver on the grid my opinion, what's yours!?

Sounds like someone has a man-crush on Hammy to be even considering him for G.O.A.T. in this early stage of his career.
Personally I think Vettel is showing more hunger and raw talent and the battle between these two in coming years will undoubtedly spice up Formula One.

As a side note, I'd love to see a go-kart race between Hamilton and Vettel, Sebastien Loeb, Valentino Rossi, and me.

[Castrol Craig]

mattikake said:

Since when could poxy MotoGP bike riders ever be relevant to the total superiority of F1?

Sorry to piss on your piss on the OP.

Edited by mattikake on Saturday 13th November 23:21

what an idiot.

im a motorsport fan fullstop, BUT F1 doesnt hold a candle to motogp, in any way shape or form.

and yes the G.O.A.T moniker does belong to rossi.

as for hamilton, nowhere near, he has a long way to go before being the greatest british F1 driver ever yet!

[Bebee]

Taz46 said:

Any one else agree with me that Lewis has the ability to be regarded as the greatest of all time? Seems to me he can get the car near or on the front regardless whether the cars 100 % (with the exception of the beginning of last year but let's face it the mclaren was a complete dog of a car) most talented driver on the grid my opinion, what's yours!?

+1 always followed him from his GP2 days, I saw his first F1 race at Silverstone.The guys is a natural born racer, he's not happy to hang at the back and make up the numbers, he will do everything he can to win with the equipment he is given.
I predict he will surpass Shummuckas record of 7 world champs.

[heebeegeetee]

TonyToniTone said:

heebeegeetee said:

Why have you ignored the drive from 18th to 3rd in the first race? Are you talking about Hamilton the driver or Hamilton the talker?

drove to 4th, 7 cars in front DNF and he ended up been disqualified for cheating.

No, he drove to third, he took third when Trulli drove clean off the track all of his own accord. Yes, he benefitted by the mistakes drivers in better cars made. Vettel was required to do a bit of racing with Kubica, but crashed. (We were surprised at the time, but now we all wonder if Seb actually can oveertake without crashing. He can't even pass his own team mate in a straight line without turning into him .)

Once in third place Hamilton then had to spend time debating with his team over letting Trulli back past. Hamilton said he didn't have to, and he was right. Unfortunately McL ordered him to let Trulli back past, and then, after LH had been perfectly open with the media about what happened, McL frogmarched Hamilton into a nightmare (and utterly insane) scenario which did a lot of damage to Hamilton's reputation, something that was of value to him.

Both 2008 and 2009 Aussie GP's were great drives by Hamilton where all around him people were making countless errors. There was no way on god's earth that the 2009 McL be in the top ten at Oz, never mind in third place on track.

[jamieboy]

LDN said:

Despite not liking Alonso's character (ever since Hungary 2007 quali and his nasty holdup tactic on Lewis)

A difficult one to call. Is Alonso's character flawed because he held Hamilton up, or is Hamilton's flawed because he ignored a direct instruction from the team in order to get himself into a better position than Alonso, which in turn caused Alonso to get a bit cross and hold him up. As bad as each other, perhaps.

[hotmelt]

AJS- said:

hotmelt said:

To be frank after the golden generation of Senna, Prost, Mansell.., just two superstars emerged-Schumacher and lately Hamilton.

What about Hakkinen?
Alonso is on for a triple title today if he gets it right.
Hamilton came in with a bang, no doubt. I think he's got immense talent, but at the moment I see him more as a Mansell than a Senna - he's fast and aggressive but lacks consistency and is hard on cars.

Only time will tell if he's an all time great, whatever it means.

Today´s Richard Meaden twitter: "@DickieMeaden Admire FA's skill and focus, but Lewis remains the man."

Superstar has to have something outstanding, plus being that little faster when needed. He has to excite in a manner unreachable for the most of the drivers. Wins and number of championships cannot express that.
Concerning Hakinnen what is so special about him? Alonso is decisivily better than him too.

[10 Pence Short]

In raw talent, I'd say Hamilton is every bit as fast as anyone I've ever watched drive. His temperament isn't quite there, though. Too many mistakes that lead to losing points when being absolutely 110% around the limit wasn't necessary. Whether he can change or not, I don't know. It certainly makes for more interesting watching than Alonso's borefest approach, though.

[mr boombastic]

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

[AndrewW-G]

mr boombastic said:

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was capable of getting a good result from any car, even the rather terrible ones Ferrari produced in the late 70's / early 80's, something that hamilton has not yet been able to do

[stephen300o]

Castrol Craig said:

mattikake said:

Since when could poxy MotoGP bike riders ever be relevant to the total superiority of F1?

Sorry to piss on your piss on the OP.

Edited by mattikake on Saturday 13th November 23:21

what an idiot.

im a motorsport fan fullstop, BUT F1 doesnt hold a candle to motogp, in any way shape or form.

and yes the G.O.A.T moniker does belong to rossi.

as for hamilton, nowhere near, he has a long way to go before being the greatest british F1 driver ever yet!

If you prefer bikes good luck to you, a lot of people couldn't give a monkeys about bikes, I find them tedious.
Sure Valentino is the greatest biker but not the greatest driver, he can keep goat if he likes, just a short form of greatest of all time, which is a term which has been used long before he was born.

[Ferg]

stephen300o said:

Castrol Craig said:

mattikake said:

Since when could poxy MotoGP bike riders ever be relevant to the total superiority of F1?

Sorry to piss on your piss on the OP.

Edited by mattikake on Saturday 13th November 23:21

what an idiot.

im a motorsport fan fullstop, BUT F1 doesnt hold a candle to motogp, in any way shape or form.

and yes the G.O.A.T moniker does belong to rossi.

as for hamilton, nowhere near, he has a long way to go before being the greatest british F1 driver ever yet!

If you prefer bikes good luck to you, a lot of people couldn't give a monkeys about bikes, I find them tedious.
Sure Valentino is the greatest biker but not the greatest driver, he can keep goat if he likes, just a short form of greatest of all time, which is a term which has been used long before he was born.

Hmmm...Surtees?

[stephen300o]

Ferg said:

stephen300o said:

Castrol Craig said:

mattikake said:

Since when could poxy MotoGP bike riders ever be relevant to the total superiority of F1?

Sorry to piss on your piss on the OP.

Edited by mattikake on Saturday 13th November 23:21

what an idiot.

im a motorsport fan fullstop, BUT F1 doesnt hold a candle to motogp, in any way shape or form.

and yes the G.O.A.T moniker does belong to rossi.

as for hamilton, nowhere near, he has a long way to go before being the greatest british F1 driver ever yet!

If you prefer bikes good luck to you, a lot of people couldn't give a monkeys about bikes, I find them tedious.
Sure Valentino is the greatest biker but not the greatest driver, he can keep goat if he likes, just a short form of greatest of all time, which is a term which has been used long before he was born.

Hmmm...Surtees?

Probably the best to do both, but far from best at either, but a lovely guy.

[Mazda Baiter]

AndrewW-G said:

mr boombastic said:

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was capable of getting a good result from any car, even the rather terrible ones Ferrari produced in the late 70's / early 80's, something that hamilton has not yet been able to do

He said Jaques, not Gilles.

[Ferg]

But if we insist on comparing motorcyclists with car racers I'm afraid there can be simply no argument.

[Mazda Baiter]

AndrewW-G said:

Mazda Baiter said:

No.

Rosemeyer
Carraciola
Seaman
Nuvolari
Fangio
Ascari
Moss
Brabham
Clark
Stewart
Peterson
Villeneuve
Prost
Senna
Schumacher

Sorry, but Hamilton isn't in that list yet. Not by a long way.

You forgot Gilles Villeneuve

Added, and rightly so.

[Fire99]

All I will say is that I think people have forgotten the challenges early F1 drivers had to face.

It's alot easier to be skillful and push the car to the limit when your life doesn't necessarily depend on getting it right.
Not to mention wrestling with low-tech tyres, narrow / bumpy tracks, manual gearboxes etc etc.

I'm not taking anything away from Lewis H. He is a true talent of his generation. However, F1 and Motor Racing in general, has changed and evolved so much over the years, it's nigh impossible to make direct comparisons between drivers of each generation.

Fangio? Moss? Senna? Prost? etc etc.

I think greatest of his generation is a possible and perhaps more fitting title..

[AndrewW-G]

Mazda Baiter said:

AndrewW-G said:

mr boombastic said:

So i think we have all concluded that Lewis is the new Jacques Villeneuve.

Villeneuve was capable of getting a good result from any car, even the rather terrible ones Ferrari produced in the late 70's / early 80's, something that hamilton has not yet been able to do

He said Jaques, not Gilles.

Ooops, sorry all

[Mazda Baiter]

Ferg said:

But if we insist on comparing motorcyclists with car racers I'm afraid there can be simply no argument.

No one's insisting.

Probably best for another thread eh?