Lewis Hamilton G.O.A.T. ?
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Exige77 said:
Bo_apex said:
Yes we all have different interpretations.
Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
I think Lando later retracted that and apologised ?Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
Bo_apex said:
Exige77 said:
Bo_apex said:
Yes we all have different interpretations.
Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
I think Lando later retracted that and apologised ?Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
to in some way diminish Lewis’s fantastic and still ongoing achievement ?Lando seems a nice enough chap and maybe got a bit carried away on social media, not only with Lewis.
When Lando has had 10 years in F1 and managed the odd win and odd 3/4/5th in the WDC, he can maybe better understand some of the greats achievements. No one has it handed to them on plate, not Schumacher not Senna not Prost not Seb no one.
Edited: I see a narrow opening is now a banned word
Edited by Exige77 on Wednesday 28th October 15:10
Bo_apex said:
Exige77 said:
Bo_apex said:
Yes we all have different interpretations.
Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
I think Lando later retracted that and apologised ?Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
Next year he’s confronted by a team mate from the next rung up the ladder and once said team mate has got to grips with the car he will , hopefully , hand the young man a lesson that he will learn from.
paulguitar said:
grumpynuts said:
Hamilton IS in a car that should win every race.........................Norris was just telling the truth.
Why doesn't the other Merc win all of the races then?I think Bottas has had more technical DNF's over their time together.
And he's not a Top 6 driver either.
Bo_apex said:
Exige77 said:
Bo_apex said:
Yes we all have different interpretations.
Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
I think Lando later retracted that and apologised ?Even Lando Norris interprets Hamilton's record differently
"It doesn’t mean anything to me, really," said Norris. "He’s in a car which should win every race, basically.
Is it !!! that should help the police in the Interview room, when the accused first response is, I didn't do it !!! ok let him go
Bo_apex said:
Both Mercedes DO win almost every race.
I think Bottas has had more technical DNF's over their time together.
And he's not a Top 6 driver either.
No, one of the Mercs wins almost every race. The one driven by Hamilton.I think Bottas has had more technical DNF's over their time together.
And he's not a Top 6 driver either.
I don't think Valteri failing to beat Lewis can be put down to DNF's. Do you?
As to where he Bottas can be ranked is hard to say. I think his quali in particular is very impressive.
M5-911 said:
Landcrab_Six said:
It's just too reliant on the performance of the car to call it - if Alonso or Vettel had ended up at Mercedes, we would have been talking about Alonso taking his 10th or Vettel taking his 12th title right now.
Yes, and there is a reason why Alonso and Vettel didn't find themselves in a Mercedes seat. As simple as not good enough for Brawn or Lauda to give them a seat. As Wolff said, the ones who critisize should wonder why they haven't been in a Mercedes. If Mercedes wanted to sign the best driver on the grid, then on current form it would've been Vettel or Alonso, because both had consistently outscored Hamilton in the championship every year by some margin from 2010-2013. Fwiw, we know Hamilton is obviously definitely better than Vettel now, but 2010-2013 he didn't do a great deal to suggest that and showed a lot of frustration when competing against 3-4 other top-tier drivers. Back then it wasn't clear-cut.
There is a certain degree of nonsense that goes with "the best drivers find themselves in the best cars" because if that was the case Ricciardo would've been given the number two seat at Mercedes for 2017 over Bottas when he was consistently beating Max... and Max would've found himself in Bottas' seat within the last year... it's what is available at the time.
Edited by A44RON on Friday 30th October 02:16
Congratulations to Hamilton, it's fair to say that he really has made the most of his opportunities and hasn't wasted his talent or resources at his disposal. We all know he's a racer's racer and loves to compete.
It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
Gary Anderson recently did a podcast comparing the two drivers achievements and it's very insightful & honest. It's interesting to note when asked to pick one driver for his dream team, out of the two he picked Schumacher. It's a fascinating interview:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/podcast-gary-anders...
It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
Gary Anderson recently did a podcast comparing the two drivers achievements and it's very insightful & honest. It's interesting to note when asked to pick one driver for his dream team, out of the two he picked Schumacher. It's a fascinating interview:
https://the-race.com/formula-1/podcast-gary-anders...
Worth noting as Eddy Jordan mentioned, M. Shumacher had a contract close for having a number 2 driver as a team mate. This would help greatly to rack up victories as having world champions as team mate will obviously be a bit more challenging to win more races let alone a championship.
A44RON said:
It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
Schumacher contractually had an advantage, and so before the engines even fired up at the first race of a season, he was a leg up. Hamilton has never had the same nor has he asked for it. Worth noting. A44RON said:
Congratulations to Hamilton, it's fair to say that he really has made the most of his opportunities and hasn't wasted his talent or resources at his disposal. We all know he's a racer's racer and loves to compete.
It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
One way of reading that it took Lewis more races is that he’s not as good. Another way of reading it is that he was in a much more competitive environment than Michael, and really had to work to win the races against other strong contenders...It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
I’m not enough of a student of F1 to say either way.
paulguitar said:
Bo_apex said:
Both Mercedes DO win almost every race.
I think Bottas has had more technical DNF's over their time together.
And he's not a Top 6 driver either.
No, one of the Mercs wins almost every race. The one driven by Hamilton.I think Bottas has had more technical DNF's over their time together.
And he's not a Top 6 driver either.
I don't think Valteri failing to beat Lewis can be put down to DNF's. Do you?
As to where he Bottas can be ranked is hard to say. I think his quali in particular is very impressive.
Would make an ideal test driver.
But in that Mercedes he is still P2 in the WDC.
Happy Days !
A44RON said:
M5-911 said:
Landcrab_Six said:
It's just too reliant on the performance of the car to call it - if Alonso or Vettel had ended up at Mercedes, we would have been talking about Alonso taking his 10th or Vettel taking his 12th title right now.
Yes, and there is a reason why Alonso and Vettel didn't find themselves in a Mercedes seat. As simple as not good enough for Brawn or Lauda to give them a seat. As Wolff said, the ones who critisize should wonder why they haven't been in a Mercedes. If Mercedes wanted to sign the best driver on the grid, then on current form it would've been Vettel or Alonso, because both had consistently outscored Hamilton in the championship every year by some margin from 2010-2013. Fwiw, we know Hamilton is obviously definitely better than Vettel now, but 2010-2013 he didn't do a great deal to suggest that and showed a lot of frustration when competing against 3-4 other top-tier drivers. Back then it wasn't clear-cut.
There is a certain degree of nonsense that goes with "the best drivers find themselves in the best cars" because if that was the case Ricciardo would've been given the number two seat at Mercedes for 2017 over Bottas when he was consistently beating Max... and Max would've found himself in Bottas' seat within the last year... it's what is available at the time.
Edited by A44RON on Friday 30th October 02:16
vdn said:
A44RON said:
It's worth noting that it took Hamilton 15 more races to reach the 91-win milestone on his 261st start with considerably more sustained dominant machinery throughout his career so far, while Schumacher took his 91st race win on his 246th start.
Schumacher contractually had an advantage, and so before the engines even fired up at the first race of a season, he was a leg up. Hamilton has never had the same nor has he asked for it. Worth noting. Mercedes don't have that problem.
Ferrari have traditionally put more support behind their fastest driver. Gives them an outside chance
HighwayStar said:
...... but when Mercedes knocked for Max, contract in hand offering him the opportunity to play with them he re-signed with Chez RedBull. Jos believing his boy wasn’t ready to go up against Lewis in the same team. The offer was there. It wasn’t taken.
He was a spotty teenager and a bit wild for corporate Mercedes 
Good decision from his father.
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
...... but when Mercedes knocked for Max, contract in hand offering him the opportunity to play with them he re-signed with Chez RedBull. Jos believing his boy wasn’t ready to go up against Lewis in the same team. The offer was there. It wasn’t taken.
He was a spotty teenager and a bit wild for corporate Mercedes Good decision from his father.
Bo_apex said:
HighwayStar said:
...... but when Mercedes knocked for Max, contract in hand offering him the opportunity to play with them he re-signed with Chez RedBull. Jos believing his boy wasn’t ready to go up against Lewis in the same team. The offer was there. It wasn’t taken.
He was a spotty teenager and a bit wild for corporate Mercedes Good decision from his father.
). A few PHers have said Lewis should be sacked for his ‘antics.’ He is certainly not the model corporate drone.It’s interesting that a fair few PHers have said Max should be in the Merc, Lewis wouldn’t allow it blah blah.
Now we know it was offered to Max and turned down, yeah good decision, Max wasn’t ready.
Merc clearly thought it was. It least it’s put that one to bed
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