One single thing that makes you think "knob"
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e21Mark said:
I drove a freeway in the US and there was a merge sign and a picture of a zip. People, on that occasion anyway, took alternate turns to merge and we passed through quite quickly.
UK motorway & road discipline is rubbish.
Isn't zip merging where cars are "staggered" next to each other so that, at the pinchpoint, all it needs is for the car in L2 to move into L1? Whereas in reality what often happens is that cars in L2 will continue overtaking all the way to the pinchpoint (so effectively you get 2-3 cars trying to squeeze into each space left in L1)? Quite often what causes the queue is not the closure of L2 but the late merging, causing cars in L1 to brake and stop.UK motorway & road discipline is rubbish.
If cars in l1 are already stationery then merge in turn is the effective option, but "merge in turn" at 70mph only works if its "proper" zip merging (i.e. the cars line up like the teeth in a zip well before the pinchpoint).
Countdown said:
e21Mark said:
I drove a freeway in the US and there was a merge sign and a picture of a zip. People, on that occasion anyway, took alternate turns to merge and we passed through quite quickly.
UK motorway & road discipline is rubbish.
Isn't zip merging where cars are "staggered" next to each other so that, at the pinchpoint, all it needs is for the car in L2 to move into L1? Whereas in reality what often happens is that cars in L2 will continue overtaking all the way to the pinchpoint (so effectively you get 2-3 cars trying to squeeze into each space left in L1)? Quite often what causes the queue is not the closure of L2 but the late merging, causing cars in L1 to brake and stop.UK motorway & road discipline is rubbish.
If cars in l1 are already stationery then merge in turn is the effective option, but "merge in turn" at 70mph only works if its "proper" zip merging (i.e. the cars line up like the teeth in a zip well before the pinchpoint).
OpulentBob said:
Hi. Road works traffic management designer here. We put the merge points where they are for a reason. They are sited, usually, to allow the greatest visibility to approaching traffic, and on major roads are sited away from junctions, laybys and other "event sections".
Can you please shoot the guy that put the merge section on the A1(M) just south of Stevenage (northbound) as I am pretty sure that there is a junction there as well as a merge...Not sure it's a "knob" offence, probably just more of a frustration, but anyway...
From today - when you're joining a dual carriageway behind a slow driver (40mph on the slip road, 50 on the DC), so there's a queue of cars behind you. You all filter into the inside lane due to traffic, and as soon as the outside lane is clear the person at the back of the queue pulls out and overtakes everyone, follwed by the next one at the back, and the next one, so that the person who got stuck behind the slow driver first is the last to be released.
But then I occasionally do this myself when I'm in a hurry...
From today - when you're joining a dual carriageway behind a slow driver (40mph on the slip road, 50 on the DC), so there's a queue of cars behind you. You all filter into the inside lane due to traffic, and as soon as the outside lane is clear the person at the back of the queue pulls out and overtakes everyone, follwed by the next one at the back, and the next one, so that the person who got stuck behind the slow driver first is the last to be released.
But then I occasionally do this myself when I'm in a hurry...
wst said:
OpulentBob said:
Hi. Road works traffic management designer here. We put the merge points where they are for a reason. They are sited, usually, to allow the greatest visibility to approaching traffic, and on major roads are sited away from junctions, laybys and other "event sections".
Can you please shoot the guy that put the merge section on the A1(M) just south of Stevenage (northbound) as I am pretty sure that there is a junction there as well as a merge...Like I say, I don't know that road specifically but it sounds like if there's a problem there, that's more than likely a major contributor.
OpulentBob said:
wst said:
OpulentBob said:
Hi. Road works traffic management designer here. We put the merge points where they are for a reason. They are sited, usually, to allow the greatest visibility to approaching traffic, and on major roads are sited away from junctions, laybys and other "event sections".
Can you please shoot the guy that put the merge section on the A1(M) just south of Stevenage (northbound) as I am pretty sure that there is a junction there as well as a merge...Like I say, I don't know that road specifically but it sounds like if there's a problem there, that's more than likely a major contributor.
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essexplumber said:
leave the proper driving to the proper drivers.
Are they the people who drive to work in the morning and then drive home at night?Baryonyx said:
And HGV drivers wonder why they're hated!
No they don't! We know full well that the only people who 'hate' them are those who just can't drive. McClure said:
Not sure it's a "knob" offence, probably just more of a frustration, but anyway...
From today - when you're joining a dual carriageway behind a slow driver (40mph on the slip road, 50 on the DC), so there's a queue of cars behind you. You all filter into the inside lane due to traffic, and as soon as the outside lane is clear the person at the back of the queue pulls out and overtakes everyone, follwed by the next one at the back, and the next one, so that the person who got stuck behind the slow driver first is the last to be released.
But then I occasionally do this myself when I'm in a hurry...
Put your indicator on a bit earlier and signal your intent with road positioning, not many will blast past a car that looks like it's about to change lanes.From today - when you're joining a dual carriageway behind a slow driver (40mph on the slip road, 50 on the DC), so there's a queue of cars behind you. You all filter into the inside lane due to traffic, and as soon as the outside lane is clear the person at the back of the queue pulls out and overtakes everyone, follwed by the next one at the back, and the next one, so that the person who got stuck behind the slow driver first is the last to be released.
But then I occasionally do this myself when I'm in a hurry...
heebeegeetee said:
essexplumber said:
leave the proper driving to the proper drivers.
Are they the people who drive to work in the morning and then drive home at night?Baryonyx said:
And HGV drivers wonder why they're hated!
No they don't! We know full well that the only people who 'hate' them are those who just can't drive. 
king stupid to try and overtake because you will cause massive traffic behind you and will save 1 or two minutes on your journey with your extra 1mph at best.heebeegeetee said:
essexplumber said:
leave the proper driving to the proper drivers.
Are they the people who drive to work in the morning and then drive home at night?Baryonyx said:
And HGV drivers wonder why they're hated!
No they don't! We know full well that the only people who 'hate' them are those who just can't drive. R300will said:
No its pretty universal tbh.
Of course it is, as is bad driving. As someone who makes an effort to drive well though, HGVs cause me no problems at all and neither does anyone else, really. The masses cannot cope with any challenge whatsoever though, and so hate everybody. essexplumber said:
Whoah there, I'm not anti HGV I 'm just saying that the troll bloke isn't a proper driver because he doesn't understand how merge in turn works.
Fair enough. heebeegeetee said:
R300will said:
No its pretty universal tbh.
Of course it is, as is bad driving. As someone who makes an effort to drive well though, HGVs cause me no problems at all and neither does anyone else, really. The masses cannot cope with any challenge whatsoever though, and so hate everybody. essexplumber said:
Whoah there, I'm not anti HGV I 'm just saying that the troll bloke isn't a proper driver because he doesn't understand how merge in turn works.
Fair enough. XitUp said:
Nope, you're still wrong. Heebeegeetee will tell you, all HGV drivers are kinds of the road and the best drivers evah! 
Tbh, whenever I'm in my car I notice HGVs very little indeed. All I ever seem to do is pass them by, and I always struggle to understand how people manage to have so much trouble with them. R300will said:
I don't hate everybody, i don't even hate HGV drivers tbh i just know that they tend to be stupid and make the mistakes like the ones i have already highlighted. Blocking the merge in turn situation is another prime example, they are breaking the law by blocking the lanes like they do thinking they are the traffic cops. No wonder peopel get pissed off at them.
I can only say, speaking (yawn, I know) as someone who spent 30 years doing 50k miles pa in both car and hgv, my experience is the opposite of yours. On the red light thing, i used to see on average 10 cars a month pass through red lights, compared to approx 3-4 hgvs a year (on average), and even then they tend to be roundabout lights as opposed to driving straight through a cross roads whilst passing the other stationary vehicles. Even got hit by one of them once.I don't think they tend to be stupid at all. This is based on the fact that they cause me no difficulties whatsoever. As stated repeatedly, I seem to be always passing them by at sufficient a rate that they barely feature on my radar at all when in my car.
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