RE: Driven: Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe

RE: Driven: Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe

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ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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kambites said:
CarbonM5 said:
kambites said:
hehe That's proper "fanboyism", that is.
Go on Fanboi,post a yotube clip of those big old fart cans strapped to that overweight pimp mobile so we can all revel in that glorious,flatulent noise.
I wish I had the faintest idea what that post meant.
He said: "I've got a black BM, she's got a white TT, and they are both better than the Merc, innit?"

Jonathan Legard

5,187 posts

236 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Before I'd driven the car, I suspected that the C63 Coupe would be crass, overweight, unsubtle and nowhere near the M3 from a dynamic perspective. I'm just delighted to have been proven wrong. AMG has moved on from the days when they just shoe-horned huge engines into vehicles that struggled to handle the horsepower.

ZesPak

24,421 posts

195 months

Friday 27th May 2011
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Jonathan Legard said:
Before I'd driven the car, I suspected that the C63 Coupe would be crass, overweight, unsubtle and nowhere near the M3 from a dynamic perspective. I'm just delighted to have been proven wrong. AMG has moved on from the days when they just shoe-horned huge engines into vehicles that struggled to handle the horsepower.
Good thing we still have Brabus for that hehe

AeroMan

601 posts

244 months

Sunday 29th May 2011
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Palmball said:
Lol...what a surprise - everyone goes into an M3 vs. C63 debate full of opinions based on......erm.......mmm.......let me see.........nothing! Except of course for the few reviews in the press that actually rate both cars extremely highly but will nearly always favour the car more suited to the track or that elusive empty back road.... and to hell with what it's like to live with everyday. This one in particular is most amusing but there are plenty of other equally poor examples....

CarbonM5 said:
The M3 is better in every single way; Engine,Brakes,chassis and fine details that this useless pig will never match.

Oh,and Iam sick of hearing the crappy farty exhaust note from these AMG 63's,let's have a treat and hear a proper race derived engine instead that doesn't need an artificially enhanced exhaust note.
Written by someone who's probably driven neither of them!


Well, having previously owned both (for over a year each), the M3 is without a doubt the more dynamic car. Its also the better car for going on a track and in particular, for going round the Nurburgring it's been my best car so far. Does that make it the better car? Well yes, if thats what you're going to with it everyday.

If your daily usage contains more town driving, motorway driving or any driving on real roads with traffic getting in your way then you may find that the final 5% of the M3's dynamic capability is somewhat overshadowed by the AMG's better performance, much better steering feel, better refinement, better build quality, better (best ever) seats, more satisfying noise and, dare I say, nicer image (yes, people just tend to prefer the AMG and this is even from enthusiasts, people who know their cars). For instance, when I pulled up in the 'ring car park in my M3, the car may as well have been transparent yet the AMG caused rather more interest.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have an M3 again in a heartbeat (if there wasn't so much other nice metal out there wink) but would I have one instead of a C63? Not so sure about that...they were both great cars but I think for something to live with day to day, the C63 has the edge. If the coupe closes that small dynamic gap further then it's almost a no-brainer in favour of the Merc. It's also apparent that the buying public seem to put a much higher value on the AMG compared to the M-car (for the first time)....they're almost pound for pound new but a couple of years down the line C63 will open the gap in it's favour by thousands!

What isn't beyond doubt is that the one-sided comments (both ways) by some are clearly based on a total lack of experience or knowledge of both cars. Go live with them for a long period then come back with some factual feedback!

Also, whoever wrote the feature.....what's all this about??

Poorly Researched Article said:
the same engine/gearbox combo, broadly speaking, also serves in the E63 AMG and the SLS AMG supercar
Come on....you get paid for doing this! SLS has a dual clutch gearbox which has no relation to the MCT whatsoever.
Well done Palmball, one of the few posts making sense on this thread! Probably because it's based on ownership experience of both cars.

Wardy76

58 posts

155 months

Monday 30th May 2011
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FraserW said:
I sell AMG, M cars, Porsches and anything that makes your 'Goolies' tingle when you drive fast, to earn my keep, and I have run various M3's of all ages and various AMG models of various ages.

The M3 is great for 'winging it' round racetracks, keeping a nice smooth line round the various bends with the revs right 'on song' but its boring to drive compared to the C63 487 and even sounds pants next to a 487.

9 times out of 10, we are never at a track.

9 times out of ten we just wanna drive round, have some fun and enjoy the car.

Who cares what is faster in milliseconds, who cares what has better velocity on semi race slicks with your sparco karting boots on, lets just all enjoy nice cars and stop bullstting about how fast a driver you are, and how your dads car is faster than my dads car, and the M3 is a drivers car and the C63 is a sloppy drivers car, how the C63 is faster 30-70, how the M3 is more balanced, hell there all nice!

I have driven the BMW M3 GTS, the C63 Coupe, the CLK Black, and all manners of special horseless carrages and they are all lovely beasts. Yum Yum. Now good day to you all, may the lord look after us and our precious metals as we drive on increasingly dangerous roads (with more potholes) than bin laden's daily commute!

Fraser W
Verily, this man speaketh the truth.

CarbonM5

927 posts

190 months

Wednesday 1st June 2011
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FraserW said:
I sell AMG, M cars, Porsches and anything that makes your 'Goolies' tingle when you drive fast, to earn my keep, and I have run various M3's of all ages and various AMG models of various ages.

The M3 is great for 'winging it' round racetracks, keeping a nice smooth line round the various bends with the revs right 'on song' but its boring to drive compared to the C63 487 and even sounds pants next to a 487.

9 times out of 10, we are never at a track.

9 times out of ten we just wanna drive round, have some fun and enjoy the car.

Who cares what is faster in milliseconds, who cares what has better velocity on semi race slicks with your sparco karting boots on, lets just all enjoy nice cars and stop bullstting about how fast a driver you are, and how your dads car is faster than my dads car, and the M3 is a drivers car and the C63 is a sloppy drivers car, how the C63 is faster 30-70, how the M3 is more balanced, hell there all nice!

I have driven the BMW M3 GTS, the C63 Coupe, the CLK Black, and all manners of special horseless carrages and they are all lovely beasts. Yum Yum. Now good day to you all, may the lord look after us and our precious metals as we drive on increasingly dangerous roads (with more potholes) than bin laden's daily commute!

Fraser W
But its the 11/10th's that counts for some people,and if you think the M3 is "boring" and "sounds pants" compared to a 487 then I am afraid you sound a wee bit silly and have probably not enjoyed the car to its full capacity.Either that or you were actually comparing the M3 to a Zonda F or you are some kid on daddys laptop.

Dont get me wrong the M3 is not at all perfect but it is a superior drivers car to the Merc-although the seats are excellent in the AMG and its interior is preferable in many ways.

As a daily drive the Merc is also more effortless and will exude a greater sense of occasion when ambling along,but the whole ethos of a Performance car-as you know is perfection when everything falls into place on that mid summers evening,we want a car that delivers something special and can up its game to a point where you think things cant really get any better,and the M3 will deliver-and then some.





Dagnut

3,515 posts

192 months

Wednesday 1st June 2011
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CarbonM5 said:
FraserW said:
I sell AMG, M cars, Porsches and anything that makes your 'Goolies' tingle when you drive fast, to earn my keep, and I have run various M3's of all ages and various AMG models of various ages.

The M3 is great for 'winging it' round racetracks, keeping a nice smooth line round the various bends with the revs right 'on song' but its boring to drive compared to the C63 487 and even sounds pants next to a 487.

9 times out of 10, we are never at a track.

9 times out of ten we just wanna drive round, have some fun and enjoy the car.

Who cares what is faster in milliseconds, who cares what has better velocity on semi race slicks with your sparco karting boots on, lets just all enjoy nice cars and stop bullstting about how fast a driver you are, and how your dads car is faster than my dads car, and the M3 is a drivers car and the C63 is a sloppy drivers car, how the C63 is faster 30-70, how the M3 is more balanced, hell there all nice!

I have driven the BMW M3 GTS, the C63 Coupe, the CLK Black, and all manners of special horseless carrages and they are all lovely beasts. Yum Yum. Now good day to you all, may the lord look after us and our precious metals as we drive on increasingly dangerous roads (with more potholes) than bin laden's daily commute!

Fraser W
But its the 11/10th's that counts for some people,and if you think the M3 is "boring" and "sounds pants" compared to a 487 then I am afraid you sound a wee bit silly and have probably not enjoyed the car to its full capacity.Either that or you were actually comparing the M3 to a Zonda F or you are some kid on daddys laptop.

Dont get me wrong the M3 is not at all perfect but it is a superior drivers car to the Merc-although the seats are excellent in the AMG and its interior is preferable in many ways.

As a daily drive the Merc is also more effortless and will exude a greater sense of occasion when ambling along,but the whole ethos of a Performance car-as you know is perfection when everything falls into place on that mid summers evening,we want a car that delivers something special and can up its game to a point where you think things cant really get any better,and the M3 will deliver-and then some.
You haven't even driven the AMG?

Ramses

831 posts

154 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Love big capacity Mercs, and the C63 Coupe is a beaut...but.....why not just make a E63 Coupe? The e-Class coupe is effectively a C-Class underneath, looks prettier than this C-Coupe and could have saved a load of engineering cost (and potential for lessening the price or increasing the margin?).

On the M3 Vs AMG - I've driven the 4-door C63 and the 4-door M3. The BM is the better car for a balls-out drive......but I'd go for the AMG everytime as 99% of the time, the M3 can't get close to reaching it's zenith, and the AMG is the better every day car.

The M3 sounds the nuts....but again the AMG still has the edge for me.

xto

261 posts

173 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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I simply cant wait for these cars to hit circa £35/£40k second hand then it will be a great buy.


Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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xto said:
I simply cant wait for these cars to hit circa £35/£40k second hand then it will be a great buy.
......they have.

if you go for the saloon i mean, but surely that is the same kind of 'great buy'

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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Ramses said:
Love big capacity Mercs, and the C63 Coupe is a beaut...but.....why not just make a E63 Coupe? The e-Class coupe is effectively a C-Class underneath, looks prettier than this C-Coupe and could have saved a load of engineering cost (and potential for lessening the price or increasing the margin?).
Yes I don't understand why they didn't produce a an E63 coupe?

xto

261 posts

173 months

Friday 3rd June 2011
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Blown2CV said:
......they have.

if you go for the saloon i mean, but surely that is the same kind of 'great buy'
Blown2cv; I like the look of the coupe. Think the saloon is for the family executive who’s looking for the sports car speed without compromising the space for other passengers etc...

I think these coupes will be quite rare.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Monday 6th June 2011
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xto said:
Blown2CV said:
......they have.

if you go for the saloon i mean, but surely that is the same kind of 'great buy'
Blown2cv; I like the look of the coupe. Think the saloon is for the family executive who’s looking for the sports car speed without compromising the space for other passengers etc...

I think these coupes will be quite rare.
Fair enough on the looks, but the point of these cars is the engine, and I can't imagine they drive hugely differently. If I had that kind of money to spare I would buy a used saloon in that price bracket now, then swap it for a coupe in 3yrs when the price drops a bit; rather than wait for 3 years or so just because I didn't want to have back doors.

SR06

749 posts

185 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Luca Brasi said:
Much rather have the saloon. Really don't like the Coupé, incredibly chav wheels toovomit
+1 The Coupe looks strange. I much prefer the Saloon.

2fast4m3

2 posts

153 months

Monday 20th June 2011
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CarbonM5 said:
The M3 is better in every single way; Engine,Brakes,chassis and fine details that this useless pig will never match.

Oh,and Iam sick of hearing the crappy farty exhaust note from these AMG 63's,let's have a treat and hear a proper race derived engine instead that doesn't need an artificially enhanced exhaust note.
Hahahaha are being serious dude? M3 better in every single way rolf. Dont be mad cause c63 is a better car man come on. Maybe would get away with some of the statements you've made but how dare you mention that m3 has better engine?

So lets start first of all
Engine- Is on another level. It cannot be even compared its like a mile awat from m3s engine. Its been named twice in a row 2009, 2010 as the best performance engine and is still in 2011 2 best engine above 4.0L losing only to 458italia engine and 3rd best performance engine. Whereas M3 was not even mentioned.
Brakes : Factory Performance Package brakes on a c63 are actually way better then stock m3 brakes
Exhaust note: Well you must be gay or something i cannot even comment on your stupid and biased comment.

2fast4m3

2 posts

153 months

Monday 20th June 2011
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Wills2 said:
Ramses said:
Love big capacity Mercs, and the C63 Coupe is a beaut...but.....why not just make a E63 Coupe? The e-Class coupe is effectively a C-Class underneath, looks prettier than this C-Coupe and could have saved a load of engineering cost (and potential for lessening the price or increasing the margin?).
Yes I don't understand why they didn't produce a an E63 coupe?
Well I can explain why. It's actually not strange at all. Imagine you owned the amg division and you have as of now(63amgs still being produced) : C63amg,E63amg,CLS63amg,CL63amg and S63amg. Now the prices range from about 80-180k and C class goes from 80 E class 120, CLS 140+ CL and S around 180k. Now the cost of making the E63 coupe would be more expensive then E63 amg so the price would be in range of CLS63 amg and this cannot be allowed. This is the main reason AMG never went for E 63coupe.

And CarbonM5 you will probably have to 5-10 years to afford and try C63 and M3. So come back in 10 and make a comment with some sense to it. For me C63 vs M3 is no brainer. I would never ever take the M3 and most people I know prefer the c63 actually much more to M3.

DJPetrolHead

585 posts

218 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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This is actually a fantastic thread! I love the various opinions. I have only been a passenger in an M# so can't comment but its a great car. It has a bit of "chad" history with it and there are many of them on the roads. BUT still a great looking, sounding and fun car.

I own a C63AMG Coupe. 700 miles on the clock. I just got back from Super Car Sunday @ Goodwood and I am still smiling at the run up there, the looks when you blip the throttle and the run back. A truly amazing car, with a tornado sounding exhaust (best part for me). Ive owned a lot of cars but this has got to be one of the best so far.....only 700 miles in so we will see but I think it is fantastic.

DJ

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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2fast4m3 said:
Wills2 said:
Ramses said:
Love big capacity Mercs, and the C63 Coupe is a beaut...but.....why not just make a E63 Coupe? The e-Class coupe is effectively a C-Class underneath, looks prettier than this C-Coupe and could have saved a load of engineering cost (and potential for lessening the price or increasing the margin?).
Yes I don't understand why they didn't produce a an E63 coupe?
Well I can explain why. It's actually not strange at all. Imagine you owned the amg division and you have as of now(63amgs still being produced) : C63amg,E63amg,CLS63amg,CL63amg and S63amg. Now the prices range from about 80-180k and C class goes from 80 E class 120, CLS 140+ CL and S around 180k. Now the cost of making the E63 coupe would be more expensive then E63 amg so the price would be in range of CLS63 amg and this cannot be allowed. This is the main reason AMG never went for E 63coupe.

And CarbonM5 you will probably have to 5-10 years to afford and try C63 and M3. So come back in 10 and make a comment with some sense to it. For me C63 vs M3 is no brainer. I would never ever take the M3 and most people I know prefer the c63 actually much more to M3.
Well that's your opinion rather than the cold hard facts from Mercedes and doesn't really explain it at all and your pricing is way off the C63s are priced from mid 50s not 80k?





Dave Hedgehog

14,541 posts

203 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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lovely car

but i would always be thinking its not an amg black ...