Cyclist posts video of London road rage assault online
Discussion
Facefirst said:
The options have been in my case:
1. Hit the car to let them know they have pinned you against a railing to get them to stop.
2. Don't, let them carry on and let them crush your legs.
You are lucky if you have never come close to an accident. When I cycled to work every day for two years there were near misses (for me or witnessed for others) pretty much every week.
3. Don't get yourself between a railing and 1.5 tonnes of moving steel1. Hit the car to let them know they have pinned you against a railing to get them to stop.
2. Don't, let them carry on and let them crush your legs.
You are lucky if you have never come close to an accident. When I cycled to work every day for two years there were near misses (for me or witnessed for others) pretty much every week.
Don't confuse luck with common sense and insight.
HTH.
ZesPak said:
3. Don't get yourself between a railing and 1.5 tonnes of moving steel
Happy to help.
Me = going in straight line.Happy to help.
Car = deviates wildly from lane without looking.
You = think this is somehow my fault.
Tell you what, next time someone cuts you up in a car, don't sound the horn or give them the w
ker sign. Instead, console yourself with the knowledge that it was really your fault for being in the way.Happy to help.
ChiChoAndy said:
The helmet is on the top of his head, and it's open face. Logic fail is assuming he hit him on the helmet, and not full in the face.
i havent study the video like a pre-match prizefight but if i was going to randomly attack someone, id probably go for the area that was the greatest distance away from any body armour. do bikers wear codpieces? this would be my first port of call if i was an angry driver.Facefirst said:
Me = going in straight line.
Car = deviates wildly from lane without looking.
You = think this is somehow my fault.
Tell you what, next time someone cuts you up in a car, don't sound the horn or give them the wker sign. Instead, console yourself with the knowledge that it was really your fault for being in the way.
Happy to help.
Never said it was your fault.Car = deviates wildly from lane without looking.
You = think this is somehow my fault.
Tell you what, next time someone cuts you up in a car, don't sound the horn or give them the w
ker sign. Instead, console yourself with the knowledge that it was really your fault for being in the way.Happy to help.
"I had right of way" isn't the best thing to have written on your tombstone.
If you get into serious situations like that regularly, maybe it's time to reconsider your own riding?
It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
Oh, and "it's like sounding a horn", no it isn't, look for "Airzound", that's like sounding a horn.
ChiChoAndy said:
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism.
^^ wkers are wkers, no matter what they are driving or riding. We all see them pretty much daily.What does surprise me is the number of posts in this and other threads by the cycling fraternity that seem to always assume the driver has always started the problem. It's those cyclists with arrogant attitudes that are the ones that believe they do no wrong and cause the most frustration with drivers and vica-versa.
All you need to do is go to Richmond Park where there is a high density of cyclists with the "we have the right" attitude to see that there are just the same ratio of w
kers on bikes as there are wkers in cars (probably a lot are both).Awaiting a flaming...
ChiChoAndy said:
So where is the disproportionate criticism, above any other group?
I just feel that there is. Every time cycling is mentioned, you seem to get get hordes (small hordes, but hordes none-the-less) of rabid anti-cycling people basically implying that cyclists somehow have less right to use the road than drivers. Yes people say nasty things about BMW drivers etc, but I rarely get the impression that they're serious when they do. will_ said:
Sharing the road means making allowances for others, including cyclists.
It's a shame that cyclists don't make any allowances for others. They assume that the road will be made clear for them (sense of entitlement no1), or if there is no space - eg during rush hour in London - that they can squeeze through at all cost (sense of entitlement no2). I always make sure to leave space on the nearside, does that make any difference though? f
k no, there will always be a selfish tt trying to pass on the outside where there's no space.Question to all you cyclists out there, is it true that modern bikes don't have brakes?
ZesPak said:
Never said it was your fault.
"I had right of way" isn't the best thing to have written on your tombstone.
If you get into serious situations like that regularly, maybe it's time to reconsider your own riding?
It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
You are totally right - I need to accept that most car drivers will act like selfish "I had right of way" isn't the best thing to have written on your tombstone.
If you get into serious situations like that regularly, maybe it's time to reconsider your own riding?
It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
s and just deal with the reality.ZesPak said:
If you get into serious situations like that regularly, maybe it's time to reconsider your own riding?
It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
To be fair, a lot of that is down to "where" and perhaps even more importantly "when" you cycle. When I used to cycle to school, I was constantly getting tapped by cars and (more frequently) buses; when I switched to cycling to university (a much greater distance), I never had even a close miss, despite it being a much busier road. I'm pretty certain that nothing changed in the way I cycle.It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
Many drivers of all types deal badly with slow moving road traffic, but the school run crowd seem to be worst, somehow.
nouze said:
It's a shame that cyclists don't make any allowances for others. They assume that the road will be made clear for them (sense of entitlement no1), or if there is no space - eg during rush hour in London - that they can squeeze through at all cost (sense of entitlement no2).
Just like drivers, then. There are lots of places where it's unsafe to overtake cyclists, the correct thing to do as a cyclist in that situation is to ride right in the middle of your lane to stop people overtaking... have you ever seen the reaction you get if you try it? Cars have no more right to overtake a cyclist doing 10mph than cyclists have to overtake a stationary car...nouze said:
It's a shame that cyclists don't make any allowances for others. They assume that the road will be made clear for them (sense of entitlement no1), or if there is no space - eg during rush hour in London - that they can squeeze through at all cost (sense of entitlement no2).
There is fault on both sides - you get bad cyclists along with bad drivers.nouze said:
I always make sure to leave space on the nearside, does that make any difference though? fk no, there will always be a selfish tt trying to pass on the outside where there's no space.
Same goes for all road users, no? Ever had a motorcyclist 'filter' on you? Does that piss you off?k no, there will always be a selfish tt trying to pass on the outside where there's no space.nouze said:
Question to all you cyclists out there, is it true that modern bikes don't have brakes?
No. Although some people do remove the brakes on fixies. They still have a brake of sorts though.EDIT TO ADD: Riding a fixie with no brakes on the road is asking for trouble and could seriously injure someone else. It is a stupid thing to do.
Edited by Facefirst on Wednesday 13th July 10:18
rockandrollmark said:
Loving how many people are jumping in on this with comments along the lines of 'he probably deserved it etc etc'. In what world can anyone here justify getting out of a car and lamping someone? Even if he'd kicked seven shades out of the car, does this really warrant assault on the part of the driver. Yes, I know everyone on Pistonheads is 15st and 6ft tall with a goatee. Driver should be found and locked up, no question.
Are you real? So you are saying its acceptable to smash someones car to bits but not acceptable for the owner to react? Also it was a s
t punch, and he fell over his bike hence why he went down. Get up, get on with it. He wasnt hurt and the driver didnt continue to stamp on him or go in the for the kill (like seems to happen alot now days). Finally, The 'Pistonheads is 15st and 6ft tall with a goatee' really isnt funny anymore.
kambites said:
What the hell is a fixie?
See this educational video at 13 seconds....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5uVdy5YmA
Forgot, it's NSFW (in places)!
kambites said:
ZesPak said:
If you get into serious situations like that regularly, maybe it's time to reconsider your own riding?
It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
To be fair, a lot of that is down to "where" and perhaps even more importantly "when" you cycle. When I used to cycle to school, I was constantly getting tapped by cars and (more frequently) buses; when I switched to cycling to university (a much greater distance), I never had even a close miss, despite it being a much busier road. I'm pretty certain that nothing changed in the way I cycle.It's what people will say to any rider who gets himself in trouble often.
Many drivers of all types deal badly with slow moving road traffic, but the school run crowd seem to be worst, somehow.
they are the worst crowd.The road I took when cycling for commuting was pretty busy, but fast traffic and wide cycling lanes meant there was little to worry about.
The when cycling/riding through school run areas, you just have to stay in line (yes, like a "traffic queue", you're part of the traffic on your bike, remember) and you'll be fine. A lot of cyclist don't seem to be able to accept this and just need to get through, then make a scene when cars are obstructing them. I cringe when they later try and start a conversation with me at the lights or the like (assuming they stopped at the lights, of course
).Same goes with bikers, just see if the moment is fine to filter, instead of trying to get through every gap there is(n't) at speeds a lot of road users don't anticipate.
ChiChoAndy said:
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism.
Doesn't justify or explain though how there comes to be pages and pages and pages of these threads. I honestly do *not* know how or why so many drivers manage to conjure up so much difficulty with cyclists. Drivers need to concentrate more on their own driving, which is very likely to be st.ChiChoAndy said:
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism.
Of course, and criticism is fine. Agreeing (as some posters have) with the assault of a cyclist (because cyclists deserve it) is not. There's also been the presumption that the cyclist was at fault, and that cyclists in general are at fault for motorists' impatience/aggression/inattention. In the end, it seems to come down to: if its so bad, why don't you stop cycling. Well, I've not died yet and I'd rather not add to rush hour traffic for a 6 mile roundtrip, but I am constantly re-evaluating my use of the bike daily, due to appalling behaviour from motorists.Oh, and I'd still like an answer to my question before: what do "eco-cyclists" actually do which makes all you anti-cyclists presume arrogance and entitlement? As a side point; how do you know they don't also drive a non-eco-friendly car (like me)?
The attitude that I see here, I now presume of the more aggressive/careless drivers I encounter. As I said in my last post; I can only presume that relationship works both ways.
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