Cyclist posts video of London road rage assault online
Discussion
PSBuckshot said:
More cycle lanes would be useful.
To go along with driver and cyclists* who use the road more responsibly / carefully.- I get pissed off when I'm patiently waiting in the cycle box at the front by the lights when some idiot careens through the red light on their bike. Now, usually it is perfectly safe to do so and I think that cyclists should be allowed to jump red lights. But that isn't that current state of affairs, and I think 'you f
ker, now all those car drivers have even more reason to hate bikes'.
kambites said:
Sorry. I really hate the anti-cyclist idiots on PH (not you, the others on this thread). holes, Audi drivers are tailgating masturbaters,, BMW drivers are non-indicating towards, and so on. if you're going to get pissed at one, you really should get pissed at them all.PSBuckshot said:
Obviously the cyclist hit the car (tapped* 
)which caused a reaction but he also obviously did it for a reason, you don't just hit cars no matter how green you are. Unless you're the Hulk. So the driver probably was closing him down. I've noticed cyclists (not all but a lot) do seem to think they have more right to be on the road than the cars they were built for but as I said that is not all of them, just the ones who probably choose the Veggie option when eating...
I'd like to see cyclists back on the pavements though to be honest, they get close to my lovely Mini.
Agreed about the not hitting cars without cause. However, how often do you all come across an apparently vegetarian cyclist who "thinks he owns the road"? What do they even do to engender this feeling in you?)which caused a reaction but he also obviously did it for a reason, you don't just hit cars no matter how green you are. Unless you're the Hulk. So the driver probably was closing him down. I've noticed cyclists (not all but a lot) do seem to think they have more right to be on the road than the cars they were built for but as I said that is not all of them, just the ones who probably choose the Veggie option when eating... I'd like to see cyclists back on the pavements though to be honest, they get close to my lovely Mini.
As for your last point; I can't ride my bike on the pavement much, the surfaces are normally incredibly bad (unless its a dedicated cycle path), even worse than the appalling roads and there's often not much room. Also, there are a lot of pedestrians, often with dogs.
ChiChoAndy said:
And motorists don't go out to attack cyclists... Are we done with generalizations?.
No, but in their carelessness/hurry they do sometimes cause serious injury or death to cyclists and other more vulnerable road users. Yet again today I had someone overtake without deviating from the lane whatsoever; I was wearing hi-viz and this is a straight and clear bit of wide road with nothing coming the other way. I can only assume (s)he had no idea that you should make room when overtaking, that or they were simply not looking at the road ahead.I'm sick of these threads, or more accurately, I'm sick of the attitude shown on here and on the roads that cyclists are some sort of belligerent nuisance and deserve to be beeped at, punched or knocked off their bikes. I drive, I cycle; I notice rubbish, borderline dangerous driving almost daily when I cycle. I rarely get held up by cyclists when driving, I rarely notice cycling so poor that it affects me (this is Cambridgeshire; there are a lot of cyclists). Are you all such bad, impatient drivers that you can't overtake a slow moving vehicle safely?
skinley said:
GilbertGutbucket said:
nickythesaint said:
On the beeb he (49 yo Simon Page) said he friend tapped the car with his hand
Tapped? Yeah right! He was lucky only to get tapped back being as (sadly) the driver's punch didn't connect properly.Cyclist tried to show off in front of his lycra clad buddies. Cyclist failed. Cyclist got punched in the face. I laughed.
I'm pretty sure the cyclist wont be so brave before 'tapping' another car.
Edited by skinley on Tuesday 12th July 23:31
ChiChoAndy said:
This is PH... Stereotypes are what keeps people going. Cyclists are lentil eating aholes, Audi drivers are tailgating masturbaters,, BMW drivers are non-indicating towards, and so on. if you're going to get pissed at one, you really should get pissed at them all.
Except the Audi and BMW ones are true. holes, Audi drivers are tailgating masturbaters,, BMW drivers are non-indicating towards, and so on. if you're going to get pissed at one, you really should get pissed at them all.Facefirst said:
Ah, but the consequences of a 'tap' car to car are, what? Financial? A bit of paint? If you need to 'tap' someones car when out on your bike its usually because they have nearly killed you.
If you go for every possible gap you will get eventually killed. Fact. I've seen people squeezing between cars and scratching them or even ripping mirrors of. It's the sense of entitlement which cyclist/bikers display that boils my piss. "We're green we can do whatever we want" - no you fkwits you share the road not fking own it.
He's just stated what the law says. You can't just deny it. kambites said:
Better designed cycle lanes would be a start
Something like a buslane style section would be ideal. Around here there is about 10yards of cycle lanes within 5miles. 90% of cyclists use the pavement.However there is one man I see everynight on the way home from work who has common sense, he uses the right side of the car like bikers, not the left where it's tight. Hats off to him.
Edited by PSBuckshot on Wednesday 13th July 09:50
Facefirst said:
ZesPak said:
While I think it would be completely unacceptable to "tap" my car, I think I might stop and have a talk but never punch the cyclist. Although, as a cyclist my self (recumbent for that matter!), I can't believe how you can think it's acceptable to "tap" anyone's car? If you're driving, and another car gets too close, do you open your door against his car to warn him about this?
Ah, but the consequences of a 'tap' car to car are, what? Financial? A bit of paint? If you need to 'tap' someones car when out on your bike its usually because they have nearly killed you.I am both a keen drive and occasional cyclist commuter. The number of times that I have been seriously endangered by car users is incredible and yes, sometimes I have had to bang my hand on a side window as some arse mounts the pavement (and crosses the cycle lane with me in it) to get round a right-turning car.
I once got pinned against a railing at about 20 mph because a car decided to use the cycle lane to undertake a slower can and this did all sorts of great stuff to my bike.
Cyclists have every right to use the road along with car users, and the reality is that car users need to accept this. Not doing so can end up with someone being killed.
I'm a cyclist, driver and rider.
It never occurred to me, on the bike or motorbike, to physically hit a car to make myself visible.
Yes, there are some daft drivers on the road and you're less likely to be spotted when cycling, but just drive accordingly please.
When I picked up recumbent cycling everybody went on at "how dangerous it is" and "nobody can see you", well, never had an accident and never came close to one. Same with riding.
Anyway, the cyclist should have kept his front paws of the car and the driver shouldn't have reacted like he did.
nouze said:
If you go for every possible gap you will get eventually killed. Fact. I've seen people squeezing between cars and scratching them or even ripping mirrors of. It's the sense of entitlement which cyclist/bikers display that boils my piss. "We're green we can do whatever we want" - no you fkwits you share the road not fking own it.
The thing is, drivers are exactly the same - I see just as high a proportion of drivers act as if they own the road and cyclists/horse riders/etc. are a nuisance who shouldn't be getting in their way as vice versa. kwits you share the road not fking own it.aizvara said:
No, but in their carelessness/hurry they do sometimes cause serious injury or death to cyclists and other more vulnerable road users. Yet again today I had someone overtake without deviating from the lane whatsoever; I was wearing hi-viz and this is a straight and clear bit of wide road with nothing coming the other way. I can only assume (s)he had no idea that you should make room when overtaking, that or they were simply not looking at the road ahead.
I'm sick of these threads, or more accurately, I'm sick of the attitude shown on here and on the roads that cyclists are some sort of belligerent nuisance and deserve to be beeped at, punched or knocked off their bikes. I drive, I cycle; I notice rubbish, borderline dangerous driving almost daily when I cycle. I rarely get held up by cyclists when driving, I rarely notice cycling so poor that it affects me (this is Cambridgeshire; there are a lot of cyclists). Are you all such bad, impatient drivers that you can't overtake a slow moving vehicle safely?
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism. I'm sick of these threads, or more accurately, I'm sick of the attitude shown on here and on the roads that cyclists are some sort of belligerent nuisance and deserve to be beeped at, punched or knocked off their bikes. I drive, I cycle; I notice rubbish, borderline dangerous driving almost daily when I cycle. I rarely get held up by cyclists when driving, I rarely notice cycling so poor that it affects me (this is Cambridgeshire; there are a lot of cyclists). Are you all such bad, impatient drivers that you can't overtake a slow moving vehicle safely?
ChiChoAndy said:
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism.
Very true, but cyclists (along with other non-driver road users) do attract a completely disproportionate amount of criticism compared to car drivers. I don't think there is a significant difference between the average quality of cycling and the average quality of driving (I suppose self preservation roughly balances out mandatory driver education). nouze said:
If you go for every possible gap you will get eventually killed. Fact. I've seen people squeezing between cars and scratching them or even ripping mirrors of. It's the sense of entitlement which cyclist/bikers display that boils my piss. "We're green we can do whatever we want" - no you fkwits you share the road not fking own it.
It sounds like it was the car going for a gap which wasn't there.kwits you share the road not fking own it.Sharing the road means making allowances for others, including cyclists.
To those supporting the "driver" - a "tap" on a car can be the equivalent of a car-horn - it makes the driver aware of your presense (and the fact that they are within touching distance is the bit that's easily forgotten i.e. dangerously close - by default). If you tooted your horn at someone because they were dangerously close, and they got out and punched you, would you consider that reasonable? Of course not.
nouze said:
If you go for every possible gap you will get eventually killed. Fact. I've seen people squeezing between cars and scratching them or even ripping mirrors of. It's the sense of entitlement which cyclist/bikers display that boils my piss. "We're green we can do whatever we want" - no you fkwits you share the road not fking own it.
Yeah...obviously. Same on a motorbike (or in a car for that matter).kwits you share the road not fking own it.The point I was making is that the consequences of doing something stupid at relatively slow speeds is at worst a financial penalty. 20 mph bum in most cars will result in nothing worse than panels and maybe airbags. The same is not true for a cycle / car interface.
Example (on of a few I have unfortunately). I saw a car pull straight out in front of a woman on a basket-fronted bike. She was doing no more than 15 mph. The result?
Car - dented front wing, scratched bonnet.
Bike - broken wheel and forks.
Woman - 4 broken ribs, front teeth missing, concussion, 6 weeks off work (I know because I was first over and acted as witness for the police).
kambites said:
ChiChoAndy said:
I'm sure many people are sick of these threads. Yes, motorists injure and kill cyclists, and I'm sure cyclists do their own share of maiming and killing. However, driving or riding like a dick is prevalent to all modes of transport. Riding a light machine that has less chance of killing does not mean they are free from criticism.
Very true, but cyclists (along with other non-driver road users) do attract a completely disproportionate amount of criticism compared to car drivers. ChiChoAndy said:
Evidence? Have you heard the talk about chavs, Audi, BMW, rice boys, old people, truckers, 4x4's... Cyclists get no more, or less than any of these groups. You just see it differently as your in one of the groups.
I'm not in any of the groups, though? I haven't cycled more than 10 miles on the road this year and I suppose I've driven more than that in a BMW, and Audi and a 4x4. ZesPak said:
Still doesn't warrant "tapping" their car though.
I'm a cyclist, driver and rider.
It never occurred to me, on the bike or motorbike, to physically hit a car to make myself visible.
Yes, there are some daft drivers on the road and you're less likely to be spotted when cycling, but just drive accordingly please.
When I picked up recumbent cycling everybody went on at "how dangerous it is" and "nobody can see you", well, never had an accident and never came close to one. Same with riding.
Anyway, the cyclist should have kept his front paws of the car and the driver shouldn't have reacted like he did.
The options have been in my case:I'm a cyclist, driver and rider.
It never occurred to me, on the bike or motorbike, to physically hit a car to make myself visible.
Yes, there are some daft drivers on the road and you're less likely to be spotted when cycling, but just drive accordingly please.
When I picked up recumbent cycling everybody went on at "how dangerous it is" and "nobody can see you", well, never had an accident and never came close to one. Same with riding.
Anyway, the cyclist should have kept his front paws of the car and the driver shouldn't have reacted like he did.
1. Hit the car to let them know they have pinned you against a railing to get them to stop.
2. Don't, let them carry on and let them crush your legs.
You are lucky if you have never come close to an accident. When I cycled to work every day for two years there were near misses (for me or witnessed for others) pretty much every week.
kambites said:
ChiChoAndy said:
Evidence? Have you heard the talk about chavs, Audi, BMW, rice boys, old people, truckers, 4x4's... Cyclists get no more, or less than any of these groups. You just see it differently as your in one of the groups.
I'm not in any of the groups, though? I haven't cycled more than 10 miles on the road this year and I suppose I've driven more than that in a BMW, and Audi and a 4x4. tucks said:
man punches man whos wearing a helmet, there is a logic fail right there.
although, posting a video online without teling the whole story and when you didnt really get hurt is a bit needy in my opinion.
guy in car is a bad tempered idiot but worse things happen at sea!
The helmet is on the top of his head, and it's open face. Logic fail is assuming he hit him on the helmet, and not full in the face.although, posting a video online without teling the whole story and when you didnt really get hurt is a bit needy in my opinion.
guy in car is a bad tempered idiot but worse things happen at sea!
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